Shitty Assed Sponsors

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Just because you can't sell is no reason to shit on the sponsor.

Good point. Do you think its the affiliates job to presell a sponsors product?

Ive always operated from the premise its my job to get the surfer interested and to their door. Closing the deal remains the sponsors job.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Good point. Do you think its the affiliates job to presell a sponsors product?

Ive always operated from the premise its my job to get the surfer interested and to their door. Closing the deal remains the sponsors job.

Bringing the right traffic to the sponsor's door will guarantee good sales. If the sponsor is any good, he is already selling his product. I would assume that is why the aff signs up for his programme in the first place. Bad traffic = bad sales.

[Rcourt64]

Can of worms was just opened:

Just because you can't sell is no reason to shit on the sponsor.

Hogwash rhetorical, Its not my job to do the sale, all I feel my responsibility is to bring the customer into the Candy Store, and at times even go as far as to show what flavors are available. if the Candy looks yummy, but taste like shit is not my fault.

ok question foir you

WHY would anyone send clicks to a sponsor for years without makinhg any money?

Newb

Ya want some honesty here Sir?

Thats exactly what I've been doing for about 2 and half years now. I have sites which I dedicate to specific sponsors. And I've made an income of about $30.00 "Ya thats right I said Thirty Bucks in over 2 years"
I'm not ashamed to admit this. I truly don't care if people here find me stupid in how I operate, or my lack of experience as a webmaster, its about being a salesman, and finding your Internet crowd.
I think many things have changed in Internet pornography in the past 5 years. There is just so much saturated free porn available now. Why the fuck would anyone buy anymore?

Bringing the right traffic to the sponsor's door will guarantee good sales. If the sponsor is any good, he is already selling his product. I would assume that is why the aff signs up for his programme in the first place. Bad traffic = bad sales.

would you emphasize more on this?

[softball]

"Hogwash rhetorical, Its not my job to do the sale, all I feel my responsibility is to bring the customer into the Candy Store, and at times even go as far as to show what flavors are available. if the Candy looks yummy, but taste like shit is not my fault."

But bringing in customers who don't eat candy won't make a sale. You do that and you are a bad salesman. After all we are all first and foremost salesmen.

"Bringing the right traffic to the sponsor's door will guarantee good sales. If the sponsor is any good, he is already selling his product. I would assume that is why the aff signs up for his programme in the first place. Bad traffic = bad sales.
would you emphasize more on this?"

See my first point. If you bring a bunch of bbw traffic to an anorexic site, then you won't convert (extreme example for illustration). If you bring a fattie lover traffic to a bbw site, you will make money. I think this is a pretty simple concept.
It is your job as an affiliate to make sales. If you can't do this, find another line of work.
When a sponsor gives you fhg and all the tools to sell and you still can't make a sale, then perhaps you might consider something your talents are more suited to.

[TheEnforcer]

Filter! Filter! Filter!

Rhetorical is dead on.. so is Gonzo and others who have posted. If you send shitty traffic to a sponsor then you'll get shitty results. Now, if you send good targeted traffic to a sponsor and it's not selling THEN you can talk about what a shitty job the sponsor is doing.

So let's say I am sending traffic to a great sponsor like http://www.juggcash.com and sending it to a damn good converting site like http://tour.bustyandreal.com/t1/ that is converting like hotcakes but for some dumb reason I wanna try another sponsor there and swap out Mr Billy Bobs Natural Big Boobs site and my sales plummet. THEN I can legitimately gripe about the sponsor as I went from mad sales with the Jugg Cash site to shitty sales with Mr Billy Bob's site.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Filter! Filter! Filter!

Rhetorical is dead on.. so is Gonzo and others who have posted. If you send shitty traffic to a sponsor then you'll get shitty results. Now, if you send good targeted traffic to a sponsor and it's not selling THEN you can talk about what a shitty job the sponsor is doing.

So let's say I am sending traffic to a great sponsor like http://www.juggcash.com and sending it to a damn good converting site like http://tour.bustyandreal.com/t1/ that is converting like hotcakes but for some dumb reason I wanna try another sponsor there and swap out Mr Billy Bobs Natural Big Boobs site and my sales plummet. THEN I can legitimately gripe about the sponsor as I went from mad sales with the Jugg Cash site to shitty sales with Mr Billy Bob's site.

ok I agree, But This high converting hotcakes site? How did it get this way? to be able to watch sales drop, there has to be some.
I remember a cam sponsor I am promoting and sales went off like crazy make a few bucks with them, And all of a sudden 'puff' cold turkey dead stop on sales? and its been that way for months now, the reason I originally obtained the sales was because it was traffic I create. Nothing bought or traded. Then when I began to seek traffic threw other means and sources is when is when the sales died. I filter, filter, filter, But it's still hard, and I can't figure it out.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

ok I agree, But This high converting hotcakes site? How did it get this way? to be able to watch sales drop, there has to be some.
I remember a cam sponsor I am promoting and sales went off like crazy make a few bucks with them, And all of a sudden 'puff' cold turkey dead stop on sales? and its been that way for months now, the reason I originally obtained the sales was because it was traffic I create. Nothing bought or traded. Then when I began to seek traffic threw other means and sources is when is when the sales died. I filter, filter, filter, But it's still hard, and I can't figure it out.

Got me on that one. However, sometimes sponsors can suffer like any other business. There may be some stiff new competition that is hurting sales. Any number of reasons. I think if a sponsor doesn't work for you, then move on to some place that does.

[Rcourt64]

But bringing in customers who don't eat candy won't make a sale. You do that and you are a bad salesman. After all we are all first and foremost salesmen.

Put thats the secret to being a good salesman isn't it? to convince the customer that even though he came in looking for chocolate, vanilla is better. This is hard to do, you talk traffic, I believe this has to be create by the salesman. So now I'm not only a salesman, I'm a recruiter also. How does salesman define which is the proper traffic he is seeking? purchase it? S.E. it? trade it? I see many ways of obtaining it. But I believe the true traffic is the one the salesman creates. Because as much as everone says they have all this great traffic to offer, Do you truly believe they are willing to give it up for a trade, or a sale? I seriously doubt it.

[Toby]

Rcourt, I have to agree with rhetorical. Everything he's said in this thread is spot on.

The affiliate's job is far more than just sending as much traffic as possible to the tour.

One of the best pieces of advice I've rec'd in this biz is this one simple concept. "Cutting your conversion ratio in half is the same as doubling your traffic." After thinking about that for awhile I immediately started reading everything I could find pertaining to generating targetted traffic. The end result, my aggregate conversion ratio for 2006 across all sponsors from mostly TGP traffic was 1:585

I compile stats monthly, for the prior three months, and compare that to previous numbers to decide which sponsors to promote more, which to promote less, and which to drop. Traffic is a finite resource for most of us, so using it where it's most effective is very important.