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[sudden]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha......lmfaorof and spitting out my beer. 100K lololol. What planet you from? Hell so you make over a hundred K and think you are rich. LOLOLOLOL Son,I hate to tell you this a hundred K a year is not a lot in this business. You are a real peach and have now officially embarrassed yourself.

If you had a clue, you'd realize I was talking about YOU and the others at Oprano, not myself, when referring to the 100k/year. Then if you had math skills, you could figure out more in what region I'm in - although my figures above weren't talking yearly income but rather liquid/invested cash.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sudden

If you had a clue, you'd realize I was talking about YOU and the others at Oprano, not myself, when referring to the 100k/year. Then if you had math skills, you could figure out more in what region I'm in - although my figures above weren't talking yearly income but rather liquid/invested cash.

Yeah, have heard all this chest beating before. I kind of like the backpeddling on yearly. No its liquid invested...lol....cash. Dude, you have no idea what I make or have invested or what property I own. I am sure you have no idea what most around here make and/or own. Whenever I see this shit, and it is frequently, it always turns out to be another loser thinking he is rich. But hey, you could be the exception. But I doubt it.

[sudden]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Yeah, have heard all this chest beating before. I kind of like the backpeddling on yearly. No its liquid invested...lol....cash. Dude, you have no idea what I make or have invested or what property I own. I am sure you have no idea what most around here make and/or own. Whenever I see this shit, and it is frequently, it always turns out to be another loser thinking he is rich. But hey, you could be the exception. But I doubt it.

Backpeddling? Are you at all capable of reading? My initial statement was "I'm 100 times richer than you all combined". I would think most humans in this world will think of that as me having 100 times more liquid/invested funds than you idiots combined.

And no, I dont know what you have invested or what property you own, so yes it remains an estimate, so I may be slightly off, but will you be happier if I was JUST 50 times richer than you all combined? If so, I think I could settle for that.

Doesn't matter to me what you think. Anyway, it was fun playing with you. Dont have time to keep doing so however. So tell me, how do I delete my account, so I can stop wasting my time here?

Btw, thought you said before you put me on ignore rethorical? I was perfectly happy before you started posting replies to me again, no thoughts about deleting my account or anything!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sudden

If you had a clue, you'd realize I was talking about YOU and the others at Oprano, not myself, when referring to the 100k/year. Then if you had math skills, you could figure out more in what region I'm in - although my figures above weren't talking yearly income but rather liquid/invested cash.

I can help with all this a year later Daniel.

Defendant Daniel Sundin is, or has been, an officer and/or director of Innovative Marketing. Individually or in concert with others, he has formulated, directed, controlled, or participated in the acts and practices of the IMI Enterprise alleged in this complaint, and has done so at all times pertinent to this action. Defendant Sundin does or has done business as Vantage Software and Winsoftware, Ltd. Defendant Sundin resides or has resided in London, England, and transacts or
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has transacted business in this District.

The Role of Daniel Sundin
54.
Daniel Sundin is the former Chief Operating Officer and current Chief Technology Officer of Innovative Marketing. Sundin incorporated Innovative Marketing in Belize and is the company's sole shareholder.
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Sundin set up Innovative Marketing's headquarters in Kiev, Ukraine and also opened facilities in Argentina and India.
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Through his now-defunct company, Vantage Software, Sundin registered and paid for many of the Defendants' primary websites, including WinFixer.com, DriveCleaner.com, ErrorProtector.com, WinAntivirus.com, and SystemDoctor.com.
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Sundin controls foreign bank accounts, including an account in Sweden, that are used to fund the Defendants' activities, including the account used to pay for the false and misleading advertisements placed by defendant Ross on the MyGeek network. Sundin has also used multiple personal credit cards and bank accounts to fund the Defendants' activities.

DEFENDANTS' BUSINESS PRACTICES
Overview
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The Defendants operate a massive, Internet-based scheme that tricks consumers into purchasing computer security software. Known in Internet parlance as "scareware," Defendants' softwareand
the misleading Internet advertising used to promote it -exploits consumers' legitimate concerns about Internet-based threats like spyware and viruses by issuing false security or privacy warnings to consumers for the sole purpose of selling software to fix the imagined problem.
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The Defendants' scareware scheme relies on elaborate and technologically sophisticated Internet advertisements that Defendants place with advertising networks and many popular commercial websites. These exploitive ads display to consumers a "system scan" that invariably detects on consumers' computers a host of malicious or otherwise dangerous files and programs, including viruses, spyware, or "illegal" pornography.
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Once the scan is complete, the Defendants urge consumers to download and install their software to resolve the security or privacy problems detected by the scanner. In many instances, consumers who agree to install the software are then presented with another scan initiated by the Defendants' software.
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This second, software-based, scan repeats many of the same warnings from the initial scan and urges consumers to purchase the Defendants' software at a cost of $39.95 or more to resolve the security or privacy issues found by the scanner.
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software are an elaborate ruse created to dupe consumers into purchasing the Defendants'
security software products. Although the Defendants go to great lengths to make the scans
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illegal pornography purportedly detected by the Defendants' scanners does not exist on
consumers' computers.
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The Defendants' False and Misleading Representations
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The Defendants' Deceptive Marketing Efforts from 2004·2007
32. In 2004 or earlier, the Defendants began placing false and misleading advertisements for their software products with major Internet advertising networks, including the MyGeek network (now known as the AdOn network). Advertising networks like MyGeek serve as advertising
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brokers, distributing advertisements to their website partners across the Internet.
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Defendant Ross placed more than $3.3 million dollars worth of ads for the Defendants' products with the MyGeek network between October 2004 and November 2006. Ross used a variety of methods to pay for these advertisements, including international wires from an account identified as "Innovative Marketing, Inc.," and credit cards belonging to Defendants Marc D'Souza and Daniel Sundin.


Guess the FTC is stupid too
http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/07231...mrktgcmplt.pdf

[gonzo]

http://www.developmag.com/interviews...-NCSoft-Europe

[softball]

Oops....there go the millions. LMFAO.

There is a big difference earning an honest living. Anyone can make millions as a crook. That takes a lot less skill than doing it legally. I guess I am just too legit to quit.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oops....there go the millions. LMFAO.

There is a big difference earning an honest living. Anyone can make millions as a crook. That takes a lot less skill than doing it legally. I guess I am just too legit to quit.

Just another loud mouth thug paying lawyers.
Maybe they will be impressed with his cd tray trick.

I guess its ok he can come back and brag about how many dicks hes sucked or taken in his ass.

[Fausty]

Hmm, the whole idea of "less is more" porn does have a certain fascination. Myself, I'd argue that it works best in combination with more explicit content - they create a dynamic tension between them that carries more than each individually ever could. I'd not one without the other, personally.

For years, one of my favorite erotic photos was a view from behind - noting really explicit, more the shape of body, carriage, charisma. .. it all adds up to more than just a close-in, high-res 'booty shot.' Not that booty shots are not fun, of course. Still, even a coy photo of a sexy hoof, err I mean "foot," can push all the buttons eh?

As to who is smarter - and richer - than whom. . . I learned as a kid growing up amidst genuine, multi-generational wealth that true wealth rarely if ever advertises itself. It's not hiding, but one learns from true wealth that there's little to be gained in trying to get others to recognize it. Whether they do or they don't, you can still write the check. Friends of mine have lost $10 million in business deals and shrugged it off - rounding error. Everything is relative.

"Smarts," now that's a bit tougher to measure isn't it? Everyone could post their IQ scores, or compare graduate degrees, but even so we're going to be arguing about arguing. If I felt that raw intellectual capacity was a more substantive predictor of overall life relevance, perhaps it would seem worthwhile to do so. I don't - and it's not.

Regards,

Fausty

[sarettah]

Wow !

I got an email from

Board Scanner

and it showed this thread

I still think it is a hot pic.

[gonzo]

Hey Daniel!

See your still in the news!
Time magazine looks good on you....


http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...ss-mostpopular