How to get the point across to you LM.....

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

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now check out
http://winetalk.com/forum/index.php?

add up the totals on there

the difference is the Mayflower

Skull and Bones Masons Knights Templar

[sarettah]

Hmmm. Are we at the tin foil stage over what Serge is doing yet?

I would have thought that the message difference was messages that had been marked deleted (not actually deleted, but flagged for deletion in the database by the script) That is what is usually the case on the boards I have done database work for. It all depends on whether the database is set to delete immediately or keep them marked for recall if rollback is turned on.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmmm. Are we at the tin foil stage over what Serge is doing yet?

I would have thought that the message difference was messages that had been marked deleted (not actually deleted, but flagged for deletion in the database by the script) That is what is usually the case on the boards I have done database work for. It all depends on whether the database is set to delete immediately or keep them marked for recall if rollback is turned on.

LOL.....what do you think?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

LOL.....what do you think?

About?

[softball]

Sarettah, have you just whizzed over the FSC opinion? It seems to contradict your posting and interpretation of the law. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Fuck the mayflower thing. It is irrelevant to this thread. I am not interested. I just made a joke, ok?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Sarettah, have you just whizzed over the FSC opinion? It seems to contradict your posting and interpretation of the law. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Fuck the mayflower thing. It is irrelevant to this thread. I am not interested. I just made a joke, ok?

Oh...lolol...ok

I had read that when it first came out. I think he's wrong. I understand all his credentials and all that but I have seen lots of lawyers be wrong before. He issued that rather quickly on the same day that all the shit went down. He based his entire opinion on the contents of one email and possibly whatever slick told him, if he spoke to slick at all.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Oh...lolol...ok

I had read that when it first came out. I think he's wrong. I understand all his credentials and all that but I have seen lots of lawyers be wrong before. He issued that rather quickly on the same day that all the shit went down. He based his entire opinion on the contents of one email and possibly whatever slick told him, if he spoke to slick at all.

Well, we will watch what happens next week. I now agree with Jace and think all that needs to be said has been said until one side or another makes a move.....or does not. I would expect something on Monday from DN .

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Skull and Bones Masons Knights Templar

hey hey now... lets leave the Masonic Lodge out of this ok


spaz

[spazlabz]

For once I think my opinion on a subject is very important.

If you check out the sites for Royal Cash all but one is in the Teen Niche. We refer to them as 'True Teen niche' because the girls look like teens and not strippers in schoolgirl uniforms.

As a company we are also aware that for some reason people might yell and scream and talk all sorts of craziness about the content we have. It is all legal, 2257 compliant and we have been very public about the fact that we will indeed give out redacted IDs to US based webmasters who choose to host our content for promotional purposes.

My opinion is that Directnic fucked up... But once that fuck up became such a huge public issue, they felt they had to stand behind it.

as for someone looking at these images and feeling they should have been taken down immediately...

tough shit for you, sorry your sensitive to images, but your sensitivity does not make the image illegal.

I also write reviews on the side. I have seen sites that offended me very deeply, ones where girls are choked to tears, have their faces spit in, slapped and called names and a host of other foul expressions of sexuality (in my opinion foul) and I detested those sites. That doesn't mean that they should be removed. I have no idea if treating your models like that is illegal or not. I imagine there was a release and full disclosure to the models prior to the shoot I just know I found it very difficult to watch girls having penises shoved down their throats until they vomitted.

We have two issues here;
Legal Ones (directnic should have done what they were supposed to)
Moral Ones (directnic should have left this the fuck alone)

I dont wish any ill will towards Mike AI or any of his companies really but in this case the owner of those sites should sue the fuck out of him and I would keep my fingers crossed that they would win.


spaz

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

For once I think my opinion on a subject is very important.

If you check out the sites for Royal Cash all but one is in the Teen Niche. We refer to them as 'True Teen niche' because the girls look like teens and not strippers in schoolgirl uniforms.

As a company we are also aware that for some reason people might yell and scream and talk all sorts of craziness about the content we have. It is all legal, 2257 compliant and we have been very public about the fact that we will indeed give out redacted IDs to US based webmasters who choose to host our content for promotional purposes.

My opinion is that Directnic fucked up... But once that fuck up became such a huge public issue, they felt they had to stand behind it.

as for someone looking at these images and feeling they should have been taken down immediately...

tough shit for you, sorry your sensitive to images, but your sensitivity does not make the image illegal.

I also write reviews on the side. I have seen sites that offended me very deeply, ones where girls are choked to tears, have their faces spit in, slapped and called names and a host of other foul expressions of sexuality (in my opinion foul) and I detested those sites. That doesn't mean that they should be removed. I have no idea if treating your models like that is illegal or not. I imagine there was a release and full disclosure to the models prior to the shoot I just know I found it very difficult to watch girls having penises shoved down their throats until they vomitted.

We have two issues here;
Legal Ones (directnic should have done what they were supposed to)
Moral Ones (directnic should have left this the fuck alone)

I dont wish any ill will towards Mike AI or any of his companies really but in this case the owner of those sites should sue the fuck out of him and I would keep my fingers crossed that they would win.


spaz

Awesome post.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

We have two issues here;
Legal Ones (directnic should have done what they were supposed to)
Moral Ones (directnic should have left this the fuck alone)

I dont wish any ill will towards Mike AI or any of his companies really but in this case the owner of those sites should sue the fuck out of him and I would keep my fingers crossed that they would win.


spaz

From all accounts, several of these girls looked WAY below 18 - and not just "looked". DirectNic did exactly what they had the rights to do per thier TOS. Yes, they could have turned him directly over to the police and Slick would be coming up with bail and more than likely be a registered sex offender once everything came out in the wash. But instead they locked the domains (so if he WAS a CP trafficker, he couldn't move them and disappear) and contacted him and gave him time to clear his name.

SLICK took this to the boards, not DirectNic. Slick then gave 100's of webmasters the opportunity to point out that many of his thumbs/trades looked VERY, VERY underage. Now all that's going to be there, in writing, forever. Had he dealt with DirectNic directly, no one would have known anything.

From what I've read, Google has removed at least one of his sites. Now, are you going to boycott Google too? Did they overreach their bounds?

I've seen time and time again where it's state specific if you "own" the domain or not. Since DirectNic is loaded with lawyers and probably has more contact with legal jurisdictions that any of us will EVER have contact with, I'm going make a wild ass assumption that they were within their legal right to take down the sites in question.

If not, Slick can sue them - simple as that.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by Peaches

From all accounts, several of these girls looked WAY below 18 - and not just "looked". DirectNic did exactly what they had the rights to do per thier TOS. Yes, they could have turned him directly over to the police and Slick would be coming up with bail and more than likely be a registered sex offender once everything came out in the wash. But instead they locked the domains (so if he WAS a CP trafficker, he couldn't move them and disappear) and contacted him and gave him time to clear his name.

SLICK took this to the boards, not DirectNic. Slick then gave 100's of webmasters the opportunity to point out that many of his thumbs/trades looked VERY, VERY underage. Now all that's going to be there, in writing, forever. Had he dealt with DirectNic directly, no one would have known anything.

From what I've read, Google has removed at least one of his sites. Now, are you going to boycott Google too? Did they overreach their bounds?

I've seen time and time again where it's state specific if you "own" the domain or not. Since DirectNic is loaded with lawyers and probably has more contact with legal jurisdictions that any of us will EVER have contact with, I'm going make a wild ass assumption that they were within their legal right to take down the sites in question.

If not, Slick can sue them - simple as that.

So you have difinitive proof that he had CP on his site? I don't think even DirectNIC has PROVEN that, if they ever do.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

So you have difinitive proof that he had CP on his site? I don't think even DirectNIC has PROVEN that, if they ever do.

Doesn't matter from my point of view. DN has every right to run their business as they see fit.

Same as you.

I am sure there are trades and gallery submissions that you reject just because. Not for a definitive reason necessarilly, or at least one you could not put into words.

I am sure you also sometimes approve some that later on you go kill because you feel like you were bs'd or whatever.

Not much difference in this whole thing except that you aren't taken to the boards in a completely one sided "let's beat up LM for doing this to me" tirade by the zoo.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Doesn't matter from my point of view. DN has every right to run their business as they see fit.

EXACTLY.

MY point was that him even having a public SUSPICION of CP on his site/trades was brought in by him - not DirectNic.

And now Google's removed at least one of his sites, so yeah, I'm betting there was SOMETHING on there that shouldn't have been. Of course, had the dude never come screaming to GFY and dealt with DirectNic and an attorney from day one, I'd never know this information.