The whole directnic thing could be the best thing

[softball]

so how do you feel about lightspeed?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

so how do you feel about lightspeed?

I do not promote lightspeed sites. I do have an affiliate id from when I was running remote thumbs. Some of lightspeeds content looked young but I did not find the context that he usually presented his content in to be disturbing.

I made an earlier post on gfy today and I will use it here.

If you can dress up a 12 year old to look 18 as many modeling agencies and magazines do then you can damn well dress up a young looking 18 year old to look 18.

However, if you take that young looking 18 year old and purposely pose her and costume her to look prepubescent you have in my mind crossed way over the line of what is acceptable.

The lightspeed content that I viewed did not present a problem to me. But I don't spend a whole lot of time looking at content..........................................a nymore

[softball]

I looked online but could not find any pictures. But I saw the French Vogue children's supplement this year and it was chocked full of suggestive images of 12 year old girls with their blouses open, legs open and tons of stuff that could get a pornographer in serious trouble. I guess it is not as much of a problem for the French.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I looked online but could not find any pictures. But I saw the French Vogue children's supplement this year and it was chocked full of suggestive images of 12 year old girls with their blouses open, legs open and tons of stuff that could get a pornographer in serious trouble. I guess it is not as much of a problem for the French.

Well of course they're fucked up, they're French. What would you expect?

[sarettah]

Just saw this from Steve Lightspeed over at the zoo.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=687118

My opinion is this: An 18 year old should be allowed to be a nude model. She is considered an ADULT. However, consider this analogy:

If Barnes&Noble carries both Hustler Magazine, and Young Miss Magazine in the store, that's fine. If they put them on the SAME RACK, that's questionable. If they put them side by side on that rack, that feels wrong. But if they fold the YM inside the Hustler and sell them together as a two pack, THAT IS FUCKED UP!

This argument is all about CONTEXT. The setting of a picture, the hair, clothing and makeup, the props, the text around the pictures, the links to other pages, and the other pictures on the same page make the difference between "fine" and "fucked up".

I believe an 18 year old girl should be allowed to model nude if she wants to. Lightspeed has been accused in the past of making our models look younger than 18, so we adjusted our sets and shooting style to be less controversial. We support ASACP and the elimination of CP from the net. I think alot of these issues would go away if people used more COMMON SENSE.

Remember: "Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD."

He gets it.

[softball]

That was explained very well. I personally think that Lightspeed is the model for teen websites. If 18 is the age, then nothing wrong with posting 18 year olds looking like 18 year olds.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Just saw this from Steve Lightspeed over at the zoo.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=687118


He gets it.

Agreed. One of the few unfortunately. Some of the sites out there today make me ill.

[AnotherGrogan]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

so how do you feel about lightspeed?

College age girls, no? Many of the links I've followed at thumbnail gallery sites were lightspeed girls. Some of my favourite picture series are from LIghtspeed University.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

College age girls, no? Many of the links I've followed at thumbnail gallery sites were lightspeed girls. Some of my favourite picture series are from LIghtspeed University.

Thanks for taking the time to hang out.

Some untainted/unsolicited surfer insight here for those paying attention.

[LadyMischief]

As much as the possibilitity of the ramifications if things go on as they have been frighten me, I do agree with you there. Many people know one of the niches I promoted the longest and got the best results with were teen... however, that does not mean I support CP type content. HOW people promote the niche is going to be affected completely by their morals/ethics, and for myself I never felt the need to make a teen look "younger" to sell a site. Using that approach really IS catering to the lowest common demoninator, and is definitely making yourself a target for scrutiny. It makes doing business much more difficult for other webmasters/websites as well.

Unfortunately, the flipside is that it DOES make money, and somehow, people will find ways to go on promoting things the way they do, and unless it's the SPONSORS who put their foots down on the way affiliates are presenting their content, things aren't really going to change. The sponsors create the content, the sponsors provide the content, I don't know why more of them aren't policing the USE of their content, not just looking for people who steal it, but monitoring and correcting the way people PRESENT it. Unfortunately I don't see this happening anytime soon because I am seeing more and more teen sponsors design even their tours in the same fashion that some people cut teen thumbs. A little airbrushing here, a little glow there, it's relatively easy to make a 18-19 year old's face look like a 13 year olds.

It's sick, and I don't agree with it. In some places it actually IS illegal to do this kind of thing, however, it's not illegal everywhere and unless we self-police, things like this DirectNIC thing will happen, or the goverment will step up even more and make all our lives miserable.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

College age girls, no? Many of the links I've followed at thumbnail gallery sites were lightspeed girls. Some of my favourite picture series are from LIghtspeed University.

Awesome! Those were probably my galleries! lol! Lightspeed girls are awesome, and rest assured the guy who runs the sites runs a tight ship. HIS girls are DEFINITELY legal

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Awesome! Those were probably my galleries! lol! Lightspeed girls are awesome, and rest assured the guy who runs the sites runs a tight ship. HIS girls are DEFINITELY legal

I should mention I meant my galleries as in "I designed them" as in they were "mine" lol

[AnotherGrogan]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

I should mention I meant my galleries as in "I designed them" as in they were "mine" lol

Heheh, thanks for doing a great job then

I'm going to start sticking to known cleaner sites. I have to admit that some of the tgp redirects I've clicked in my wanderings have led me to things that have made me shred my browser cache files instead of clearing them. I don't want any more exposure to that crap. I was just thinking of it as wading through a sea of garbage to get to the content I like, but what has happened here has made me start to get more alarmed about it. I also never really thought much about ethics of the site operators. I'm glad to see that some of you have high standards.

It's also made me rethink something else. I could get lots more of the exact content I want by subscribing to a few of those (honest, reputable) sites that the good tgp's lead to, without exposing myself to bad juju. The really good ones are often the most generous with the samples for tgp galleries.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

Heheh, thanks for doing a great job then

I'm going to start sticking to known cleaner sites. I have to admit that some of the tgp redirects I've clicked in my wanderings have led me to things that have made me shred my browser cache files instead of clearing them. I don't want any more exposure to that crap. I was just thinking of it as wading through a sea of garbage to get to the content I like, but what has happened here has made me start to get more alarmed about it. I also never really thought much about ethics of the site operators. I'm glad to see that some of you have high standards.

It's also made me rethink something else. I could get lots more of the exact content I want by subscribing to a few of those (honest, reputable) sites that the good tgp's lead to, without exposing myself to bad juju. The really good ones are often the most generous with the samples for tgp galleries.

Your in the right place for the straight scoop.

As a surfer do you see the use for an honest adult review site along with a site that would allow you to lodge complaints about a shitty site?

[AnotherGrogan]

Originally Posted by gonzo

As a surfer do you see the use for an honest adult review site along with a site that would allow you to lodge complaints about a shitty site?

I would see value in it if I could trust that the reviewers are not promoting or slandering something for personal gain. No offense to good people here, but we all know that some adult webmasters are prone to use any means of getting their sites promoted, including using other people to do their dirty work. Pathetic slimeball tactics like getting people to go 'round registering for shit.

Your wording of "honest review site" leads me to believe that's what you have in mind. Trusted reviewers and rigorous moderation/scrutiny of complaints lodged by Joe Public. That would be a good thing to have.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

Heheh, thanks for doing a great job then

I'm going to start sticking to known cleaner sites. I have to admit that some of the tgp redirects I've clicked in my wanderings have led me to things that have made me shred my browser cache files instead of clearing them. I don't want any more exposure to that crap. I was just thinking of it as wading through a sea of garbage to get to the content I like, but what has happened here has made me start to get more alarmed about it. I also never really thought much about ethics of the site operators. I'm glad to see that some of you have high standards.

It's also made me rethink something else. I could get lots more of the exact content I want by subscribing to a few of those (honest, reputable) sites that the good tgp's lead to, without exposing myself to bad juju. The really good ones are often the most generous with the samples for tgp galleries.

Lightspeed has a package deal that allows you to pay one price and have access to as many of 10 of their sites at once, you choose which ones.

http://main.lightspeedworld.com/res/...v/tt/con/co/fc

Having been in all the Lightspeed member's areas, I can highly assure you that you will find more than enough great stuff there to keep you happy for eons to come