DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs

[Jace]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

Hello folks

I'm not in the Adult Website business (though I've often thought about having an adult site)

I'm a user who has been going to reallyeighteen.com (and sites like it) periodically for a few years roughly and I'd like to share my perspective on this.

The problem as I perceive it is that the site doesn't really host the content, the thumbnails are redirects that pass control over to other sites and each time you click them you may end up somewhere else. The links don't always lead to the pictures shown in the thumbnails and once you get to another gallery of similar redirects you just don't know where you are going to end up if you click those links. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Grannies, kiddies, animal sex... nothing to do with the thumbnail images.

Indeed, a few times I've ended up at galleries showing pictures of what are obviously children. I haven't worried that much about it because it was very infrequent and I just closed that particular browser tab if I saw anything like that, realizing it's not really their fault once control has been passed on to another site.

Yesterday, I noticed that there was no dns for reallyeighteen. At the time I thought it was just a temporary glitch, or they were moving or something. I know how to use whois and get the authoritative nameserver and then query that to get the IP. So I did that, and set up a hosts file entry for the site so the virtual hostname would work. It seemed to be business as usual, but I hadn't been there in a few weeks.

Today, when I checked and the problem still wasn't solved I started to suspect that something like this had occurred and started to search for answers. Google has de-listed them from their databases, citing a request from chillingeffects.org. So the only info I found was from a few (questionable) spyware removal sites with instructions for cookie removal (I use Linux so I don't give a shit about Windows malware, and I always delete cookies and browsing data after visiting adult sites so that's no problem either)

A Yahoo search led me to this discussion here and now I understand what's going on. Looking again at the registrar info, I now see it's in "Registrar-hold" status (didn't read the info that closely yesterday)

From my perspective, I'll not be going back to reallyeighteen again, because I simply don't want to be associated with the stigma of "kiddie porn". I like pictures of nice young ladies in the 18-20 age range (I'm not even especially fond of "hard core"), but I'm not exposing myself to some potential overzealous and righteous ISP employee for what I might accidently land on. It really got me thinking about that. Whether charges hold up in court or not, once you've been accused of anything to do with child porn you're finished.

It's unfortunate, and I agree that this should not be the job of a domain registrar. Not only that, how the Hell can they provide ID for the models when it's not even them who has "hired" them? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how all of this works, but it seems to me that perhaps slick networks just has to be more discriminating in their afiliations. Shutting them down is inappropriate. Cripes... drop their domains and let them transfer them or re-register elsewhere if they don't approve of the content. That's where the registrar's responsibility should end. Similar for Web hosts. Drop the customer if you don't approve, but don't fuck with them.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the way I think, so this has probably really hurt them. They'll not be able to use those domain names again... they'll have to start anew. This whole thing sickens me and that domain registrar can burn in Hell. I'll certainly never use or recommend them.

Again, I do not want to encounter child porn, but this is way over the top.

after reading this a few times I have to agree it looks pretty fake

then again, the one thing I hate about the internet comes into play, you never fucking know anymore

[softball]

The veracity of that letter is way suspicious.

[AnotherGrogan]

Folks, I'm not sure how I could prove it, but I'm a very real person and this was really bothering me today when I came across this discussion. I'm not even sure what you would be implying when suspecting my post as being fake. You think someone put me up to this to skew some point of discussion in this forum?

I've stated my opinion (and it's factual about the thumbnail links on the reallyeighteen site being redirects... rather obvious when I click them)

My screen name is Grogan, I've used it for around 11 years on computer help Web sites and IRC servers. I use it with honour and integrity, just as if it were my real name. Someone here was already registered as Grogan. I do not give real names or other personal info. If an administrator of this forum wishes to contact me, they may do so using the email address in my profile and I will answer any questions they may have about me. Yes, that's really me in the picture I've just uploaded as an avatar.

When I register to make a post on a forum, I do stick around a bit for follow up discussion. I've now read some other threads here too.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

I've stated my opinion (and it's factual about the thumbnail links on the reallyeighteen site being redirects... rather obvious when I click them)

That is still no excuse for what I saw on the various sites in question and I never went past the thumbs.

Each and every webmaster has the responsibility of running their sites in an honest, ethical method and also need to be constantly policing themselves. The only possible excuse for not being in full control of the content of your site and the links from your sites would be getting hacked and in that case it should be a very temporary thing. It is also every webmasters responsibility to make sure their sites do not get hacked by keeping adequate security in place.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That is still no excuse for what I saw on the various sites in question and I never went past the thumbs.

Each and every webmaster has the responsibility of running their sites in an honest, ethical method and also need to be constantly policing themselves. The only possible excuse for not being in full control of the content of your site and the links from your sites would be getting hacked and in that case it should be a very temporary thing. It is also every webmasters responsibility to make sure their sites do not get hacked by keeping adequate security in place.

For once we actually agree on something.

[AnotherGrogan]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Each and every webmaster has the responsibility of running their sites in an honest, ethical method and also need to be constantly policing themselves. The only possible excuse for not being in full control of the content of your site and the links from your sites would be getting hacked and in that case it should be a very temporary thing. It is also every webmasters responsibility to make sure their sites do not get hacked by keeping adequate security in place.

As I said, perhaps he needs to do just that (re-evaluate his affiliates). What DirectNIC has done is overstepping their bounds. My point about it being redirects is, how would it be possible to submit "ID" for the models in the links that are just redirects?

In my time at that site (reallyeighteen), I saw nothing in the thumbnails that made me think it might lead to "cp". Young looking college age girls are not kiddie porn either.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

As I said, perhaps he needs to do just that (re-evaluate his affiliates). What DirectNIC has done is overstepping their bounds. My point about it being redirects is, how would it be possible to submit "ID" for the models in the links that are just redirects?

In my time at that site (reallyeighteen), I saw nothing in the thumbnails that made me think it might lead to "cp". Young looking college age girls are not kiddie porn either.

Reallyeighteen was not the one causing the trouble from what I saw. Directnic basically siezed his entire account so everything he had registered with them was hit.

[AnotherGrogan]

Ok, sorry for having tunnel vision there. Reallyeighteen is the site that concerned me because it's one that I was using. I do also recall landing on amateurcurves through the redirects, but didn't realize they were the same people. I don't recall seeing anything bad there either.

I really hadn't given it much thought until today.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

As I said, perhaps he needs to do just that (re-evaluate his affiliates). What DirectNIC has done is overstepping their bounds. My point about it being redirects is, how would it be possible to submit "ID" for the models in the links that are just redirects?

In my time at that site (reallyeighteen), I saw nothing in the thumbnails that made me think it might lead to "cp". Young looking college age girls are not kiddie porn either.

I think you're referring to what they call in TGP as a SKIM. There's a difference between when you click a thumb and the skim sends you to a trade (in effect sending you to another site), or when it sends you to a gallery listing. A gallery listing oftentimes will have a link at the bottom with a "click here for 2257 information". Those are the listings that are "resident" to the tgp, as they are static links. THe redirected links are other people's sites, essentially.

[AnotherGrogan]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

I think you're referring to what they call in TGP as a SKIM. There's a difference between when you click a thumb and the skim sends you to a trade (in effect sending you to another site), or when it sends you to a gallery listing. A gallery listing oftentimes will have a link at the bottom with a "click here for 2257 information". Those are the listings that are "resident" to the tgp, as they are static links. THe redirected links are other people's sites, essentially.

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know the terminology, but yes that's what I'm describing. Most thumbnail links on tgp sites do seem to lead to other domains, but I never really thought about which ones are resident. I just thought of those tgp sites as portals to affiliate and advertiser sites.

I've learned a few things by reading some threads here today and following some links, including a bit about how many of these TGP sites operate. I didn't realize the degree of automation in updating the pages.

I've seen "2257" info before, but it always seemed to be more of a disclaimer to me. "These models were over the age of 18 when the pics were taken, and records are held by those who published the pics" or whatever it says. I never paid a lot of attention to it as I don't live in the US.

So then, a domain registrar might overstep their bounds in more ways than one. Namely, exerting self granted authority where laws like this have no jurisdiction. For example, someone might have no such requirement in another country to be able to produce such records (or as mentioned, it might even be prohibited by law to disclose such info), yet a righteous domain registrar can lock up the domains and demand that they produce this? Registrars should be just that... registrars.

Edit: I should think that sort of policing is more appropriate for a hosting provider, to object to content and take sites offline. Domain registrars should provide the administrative service of registering domains, impartially.

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Also, thanks for the welcome Gonzo and LadyMischief. This looks like a pretty cool place :-)

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

Folks, I'm not sure how I could prove it, but I'm a very real person and this was really bothering me today when I came across this discussion. I'm not even sure what you would be implying when suspecting my post as being fake. You think someone put me up to this to skew some point of discussion in this forum?

I've stated my opinion (and it's factual about the thumbnail links on the reallyeighteen site being redirects... rather obvious when I click them)

My screen name is Grogan, I've used it for around 11 years on computer help Web sites and IRC servers. I use it with honour and integrity, just as if it were my real name. Someone here was already registered as Grogan. I do not give real names or other personal info. If an administrator of this forum wishes to contact me, they may do so using the email address in my profile and I will answer any questions they may have about me. Yes, that's really me in the picture I've just uploaded as an avatar.

When I register to make a post on a forum, I do stick around a bit for follow up discussion. I've now read some other threads here too.

Ive looked at your IP and the pool it comes thru.

Thats good enough for me.

I think this is a first but.... Welcome to Oprano.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ive looked at your IP and the pool it comes thru.

Thats good enough for me.

I think this is a first but.... Welcome to Oprano.

No kidding Don't often see this kind of crossover, but this fellow is a bright sort to have followed things this far. Welcome AnotherGrogan