DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs

[tony404]

Internet policing ? its called a industry regulating itself or the government starts regulating for you. Imagine if everyone policed cp on line instead of waiting for the police. If you got proof everyone is of age ,you really got nothing to worry about.There would be no safe place for cp to happen in the internet world. oh I forgot in the online world its everyone's god given right to do whatever the fuck they want until they are arrested.
Then they cry why do they pick on us. lol

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

Internet policing ? its called a industry regulating itself or the government starts regulating for you. Imagine if everyone policed cp on line instead of waiting for the police. If you got proof everyone is of age ,you really got nothing to worry about.There would be no safe place for cp to happen in the internet world. oh I forgot in the online world its everyone's god given right to do whatever the fuck they want until they are arrested.
Then they cry why do they pick on us. lol

Not everyone is legally able to give out that information unless it is to the proper legal authorities. So what do you do then

[Hammer]

It's not DN's job to 'police' anything and since when is DirectNic part of this industry that you think should be policing itself? This isn't a case of policing ourselves, this is a case of an outside source policing us and doing it illegally.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It's not DN's job to 'police' anything and since when is DirectNic part of this industry that you think should be policing itself? This isn't a case of policing ourselves, this is a case of an outside source policing us and doing it illegally.

Hammer, I propose to you the same bet I proposed with rhetorical http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=51383

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hammer, I propose to you the same bet I proposed with rhetorical http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=51383

It'll be a shame to see you go.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It'll be a shame to see you go.

I take it that that is an aceptance

Originally Posted by Hammer

We are constantly fighting for our constitutrional rights in this business and along comes an organization that tramples all over them

Last I checked, your constitutional rights end right at my doorstep.

[softball]

Last I checked, your constitutional rights end right at my doorstep.

Not being a constitutional expert, I would guess you are very wrong on that count. You might think about checking again.

[Hammer]

I take it that that is an aceptance

Sure, why not. Oprano won't miss either of us.

Last I checked, your constitutional rights end right at my doorstep.

huh? I'm guessing you mean if I come into your house you have the right to do illegal things to me because I no longer have any rights? So you could rape me and it would be okay. Or you could rob me or kill me? Since none of those are true, just what constitutional rights end at your doorstep? You can't even shoot me unless your life is threatened and even then a good attorney could get you convicted of murder.

But, what does any of that have to do with the current argument that what DirectNic did is unconstitutional?

[Hammer]

It blows my mind when I see people supporting what DN is doing considering the industry we're in. We are constantly fighting for our constitutrional rights in this business and along comes an organization that tramples all over them and instead of getting pissed off, some of you are actually condoning their actions. Unbelievable.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It blows my mind when I see people supporting what DN is doing considering the industry we're in. We are constantly fighting for our constitutrional rights in this business and along comes an organization that tramples all over them and instead of getting pissed off, some of you are actually condoning their actions. Unbelievable.

I have seen some, but very little support out there. But when shit like this happens there are always a few. I would assume that after this Directnic will be out of the adult reg business by the sound of it. But that could be the plan.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Not everyone is legally able to give out that information unless it is to the proper legal authorities. So what do you do then

to prove age a blacked out picture id with only pic and birthdate showing. Your giving no personal info away.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

to prove age a blacked out picture id with only pic and birthdate showing. Your giving no personal info away.

I would have to consult a lawyer on that, but I would bet that would be illegal as well.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I would have to consult a lawyer on that, but I would bet that would be illegal as well.

Hmmmm. So all the sites that set up profiles of girls with their pic and dob in their profile are breaking the law? Many of them are getting that info from their sponsors, so I guess the sponsors are breaking the law too? I have many model releases from content providers and such and I don't have any that have the model's permission to post that stuff on line. I guess all the gossip sites that have celebrity birthdays and pics on them and sites like imdb that have the date of birth and death and a bio are all in violation of the law as you see it.

Damn, you are such a constitutional genius rhetorical.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmmmm. So all the sites that set up profiles of girls with their pic and dob in their profile are breaking the law? Many of them are getting that info from their sponsors, so I guess the sponsors are breaking the law too? I have many model releases from content providers and such and I don't have any that have the model's permission to post that stuff on line. I guess all the gossip sites that have celebrity birthdays and pics on them and sites like imdb that have the date of birth and death and a bio are all in violation of the law as you see it.

Damn, you are such a constitutional genius rhetorical.

And like I said, you are ignorant. I live in Canada and yes it is illegal. Now, go do a little research and cut and paste something. Duh, I hate to have to explain things that are patently obvious.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Hmmmm. So all the sites that set up profiles of girls with their pic and dob in their profile are breaking the law? Many of them are getting that info from their sponsors, so I guess the sponsors are breaking the law too? I have many model releases from content providers and such and I don't have any that have the model's permission to post that stuff on line. I guess all the gossip sites that have celebrity birthdays and pics on them and sites like imdb that have the date of birth and death and a bio are all in violation of the law as you see it.

Damn, you are such a constitutional genius rhetorical.

If the girls themselves are silly enough to share their ID, they are within their rights to do so. HOWEVER, if you are in Canada and you collect ID's, you CANNOT LEGALLY DISTRIBUTE THEM IN ANY WAY without permission or a release from the legal ID holder. This applies to content producers as well, not only does their model release have to incorporate a release for the content producer to keep the content on record, but there must be a sepereate part of the release allowing it to be distributed to neccessary parties (for 2257 purposes). Anyone other than a government agent, or someone who has through release been given permission to recieve the ID, or been handed it personally from the legal ID holder, CANNOT LEGALLY request that ID in Canada, and if someone were to provide it, they would be in Violation of the Personal Information Protection Act and would be subject to jailtime in excess of 10+ years. If it was going cross-border, the fines/jailtime are even steeper, because it was Cross-border data flow of personal information that brought the laws into effect in the first place.

How do I know? My personal lawyer is one of the forefront experts of PIPA in Canada, and in fact he put together a legal seminar for a few years ago on just this subject and how it affect Canadian adult webmasters/content producers. Many major Canadian-based programs attended and I still have all the information, should you be interested.

Bottom line. If DirectNIC were to request the same information from a Canadian company and hold their domains in lock, said Canadian company would spend more time in jail/pay more fines than if they could somehow be extradited to the US and IF they were guilty, be charged under any kind of 2257 offenses. Canada is NOT the only country that has laws this strict, and I'm quite sure there are correlating US state laws that cover privacy/identify theft issues.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

If the girls themselves are silly enough to share their ID, they are within their rights to do so. HOWEVER, if you are in Canada and you collect ID's, you CANNOT LEGALLY DISTRIBUTE THEM IN ANY WAY without permission or a release from the legal ID holder. This applies to content producers as well, not only does their model release have to incorporate a release for the content producer to keep the content on record, but there must be a sepereate part of the release allowing it to be distributed to neccessary parties (for 2257 purposes). Anyone other than a government agent, or someone who has through release been given permission to recieve the ID, or been handed it personally from the legal ID holder, CANNOT LEGALLY request that ID in Canada, and if someone were to provide it, they would be in Violation of the Personal Information Protection Act and would be subject to jailtime in excess of 10+ years. If it was going cross-border, the fines/jailtime are even steeper, because it was Cross-border data flow of personal information that brought the laws into effect in the first place.

How do I know? My personal lawyer is one of the forefront experts of PIPA in Canada, and in fact he put together a legal seminar for a few years ago on just this subject and how it affect Canadian adult webmasters/content producers. Many major Canadian-based programs attended and I still have all the information, should you be interested.

Bottom line. If DirectNIC were to request the same information from a Canadian company and hold their domains in lock, said Canadian company would spend more time in jail/pay more fines than if they could somehow be extradited to the US and IF they were guilty, be charged under any kind of 2257 offenses. Canada is NOT the only country that has laws this strict, and I'm quite sure there are correlating US state laws that cover privacy/identify theft issues.

So, the whois databases aren't allowed to list canadian names and addresses?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Bottom line. If DirectNIC were to request the same information from a Canadian company and hold their domains in lock, said Canadian company would spend more time in jail/pay more fines than if they could somehow be extradited to the US and IF they were guilty, be charged under any kind of 2257 offenses. Canada is NOT the only country that has laws this strict, and I'm quite sure there are correlating US state laws that cover privacy/identify theft issues.

Which is probably why DirectNic wouldn't ask for illegal information from a Canadian company.

I personally don't see how ANYONE can correlate identity theft with a picture and birthdate. I can send you a copy of my driver's license with nothing showing but my picture and birthdate and I highly doubt you'd be able to steal my identity - or even know my real name.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

Internet policing ? its called a industry regulating itself or the government starts regulating for you. Imagine if everyone policed cp on line instead of waiting for the police. If you got proof everyone is of age ,you really got nothing to worry about.There would be no safe place for cp to happen in the internet world. oh I forgot in the online world its everyone's god given right to do whatever the fuck they want until they are arrested.
Then they cry why do they pick on us. lol

This isn't industry regulation though. This is one company appointing itself as having the authority to shutdown another company's business based upon regulations that have never even been validated in a court of law by a judge. I think most of the "industry" in fact still feels that 2257 as written is unconstitutional in fact.

Now I'm not defending anyone who wants to take pics of very young looking girls without covering their ass and making sure they're 18 and having ample docs to back it up. But in this case, I'm thinking more and more based on information available that Directnic overstepped their bounds. I'd be ok with it if they'd just opted not to do business with the guy and bounced him. That's what I do with people whose practices I do not like, I simply dont do business with them.

But they are way out on a limb here by locking the domain where it cant be moved if that is indeed what is happening. I keep thinking there has to be more to this than meets the eye as it doesn't make sense for Directnic to make a move this harsh.

My docs are clean, but I have to admit that I'd be BEYOND PISSED if a registrar put me on the spot like that. I'm their customer and they want to scrutinize my business? It's like having your landlord want to come in and make sure you have all of the required DOL information posted on your bulletin board in the breakroom. That's not their role.

Hosts can request docs when DMCA is put into play. And 2257 says Uncle Sam can knock on your door and inspect your records. Beyond that, vendors have no entitlement to audit a damned thing.