AdultFriendFinder.com Fake Profile Class Action Lawsuit Investigation

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models.

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

Every single girl in a paypercall room was a "bogus chick", lol. Most were grandmothers who needed some extra income and would literally be knitting baby booties while talking on the phone. It's called "fantasy" and no one in porn hasn't sold it. How many "teens" are over 19? Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

Excuse me , just because I work in porn doesnt mean I cant run my business with integrity and not screw customers. What bullshit because your in porn its ok to be a cheat lol.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

Excuse me , just because I work in porn doesnt mean I cant run my business with integrity and not screw customers. What bullshit because your in porn its ok to be a cheat lol.

How is that cheating, Tony? The guys wanted a girl to talk dirty to them so they could bust a nut. That's EXACTLY what they got.

I guess you've never touched up pictures of your wife - geeze, that would cheating, lol.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

How is that cheating, Tony? The guys wanted a girl to talk dirty to them so they could bust a nut. That's EXACTLY what they got.

I guess you've never touched up pictures of your wife - geeze, that would cheating, lol.

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

Pssssst - Tony: They were ALL bogus! Yep, that's right, the girls who answered 900 number calls were NOT models, they weren't retired porn stars, most weren't even slightly attractive. Here's another bit of "cheating": they didn't cum when they said they were cumming.

Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

(honestly, I thought anyone who's in this biz knew this.....)

[sudden]

Originally Posted by tony404

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

Are you seriously this retarded, or just good at playing retarded?

[pam]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

I think this is where I say amen.

[Inabon]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?

[pam]

Originally Posted by Inabon

erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?

If they sign up for 3 days, they get free porn. I don't promise they will never have to pay for porn, I tell them that for 3 days, there is no charge. They are then told they can go to a free porn search engine -- meaning there is no cost to go to the search engine. No where on the page does it say all the sites listed are free. Virtually all are paysites. Where is the deception?

[pam]

BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by pam

BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

theres nothing wrong with what or how she's marketing her site.
besides the brunette in the middle pics is freakin hot !! WooHoo

Pretty much as I look around theres nothing wrong with any of the systems anyone is using. its all different forms of advertising, and the main problem is everyone just seems to have a different standards or level where they draw the line on advertising.
Creating a profile of some botacious porn model hot girl?
or telling someone over the phone that your really Britney Spear's sister look alike?
or tell them FREE PORN for 3 days? it's all the same game.
Your all attempting the same goal. To entice people to purchase something. Advertising is partially based on "make believe fantasies", to lure a person to purchase something.
Now if we all have different aspects or ethics on how far we should go? well, I feel thats for the Courts to decide.
But I think as long as companies like Ford Motor Vehicles tell me on TV every few minutes How if I buy one of there trucks, and "Ride it like a Ford" I'll get hot girls around me all the time & be the shit of my neighborhood, then I see nothing wrong with how any of you or AFF operates.

[sudden]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

She obviously meant that in the eyes of a lot of people, you DONT have any morals/ethics based solely on the fact that you're in the porn industry.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

Example 1.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Example 1.

Feel free to list more. I have to admit this is the first time I've been called unethical or immoral in business or personally. At least when I say something against, I back it up with proof and don't play word games.

Actually, don't sweat it - ciao!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Actually, don't sweat it - ciao!

Im not.

[Hell Puppy]

No easy answers here.

Where's the line between "fantasy" and outright "deception"?

Where's the line between aggressive "marketing" and "fraud"?

For me, it's in the underlying attitude and approach. I'm not trying to separate the surfer at all costs and willing to do absolutely anything I can get away with in order to do it. I am aggressive, but I do deliver what I advertise, and I do treat them with respect as any business should do a paying customer.

The results? Customer acquisition has become tougher and tougher as surfers get more and more savvy from being burned. It costs more and more to get a new paying customer. Meanwhile, I've focused on keeping the customers I have over getting new ones since 1997. It's easier to keep one than to get a new one in many businesses, our's is no different. It's worked well for me.

Most guys who run what we would've used to call "amateur" sites will tell you the same thing. Treat 'em right and they're loyal to a fault. You can have big membership numbers without having to feed 100s of new signups a day just to fight the churn.

However, the industry in general attracts people who dont really fit anywhere else and are lured by an easy dollar. Thus you get a lot of people who'd rather take a short cut, fleece the sheep for all they're worth and never worry about tomorrow or where the next buck is coming from. Just get all you can today at all costs. Now just because there are so many people in the biz with that attitude, does that make it right or acceptable? To me, no.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

However, the industry in general attracts people who dont really fit anywhere else and are lured by an easy dollar. Thus you get a lot of people who'd rather take a short cut, fleece the sheep for all they're worth and never worry about tomorrow or where the next buck is coming from. Just get all you can today at all costs. Now just because there are so many people in the biz with that attitude, does that make it right or acceptable? To me, no.

I think I read this paragragh over about four times, "And NO, it's not because the word sheep is in there". lol

It was because I truly need to ask why people feel the need to come & gut what they can, then run? leaving the rest of the industry to deal with the mess they left behind? The only thoughts I could come up with was "fear"?

[Rcourt64]

I"m thinking where does one draw the line on deception?
Is it when you make someone spend money thinking they're getting something they paid for? and it was not what it all seemed that you presented?

So in other words..???? This following ad is deceptive because I didn't get any rainbow with my candy?


I'm being told here I'd taste a rainbow if I bought this and tasted it?

Was that deseptive? or was that advertising?
But for some reason there selling millions of bags a day.

People create profiles along the same concept, "to create an illusion or fantasy that would attract people to them, whether it be for profit, pleasure or fun. People buy cause they intrigued. Not because there's really a rainbow inside the bag.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

No easy answers here.

Where's the line between "fantasy" and outright "deception"?

Where's the line between aggressive "marketing" and "fraud"?

Exactly. That line in this business can often be quite wide and grey. The fake profiles can be, and often are, from webmasters looking to spam shit. Don't know if AFF puts some in themselves or not. What I've seen and heard of at other places that is outright over the line are the fake e-mails sent out to lure people in as members or bring them back as members. I've never heard of or seen AFF do something like that.

[TheEnforcer]

Oh, and the phone sex stuff that was being discussed isn't unethical in my book. You're selling a fantasy for a guy to whack off to using his ears and imagination.