$350 for acting in a porn flick?

[softball]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

jesus, if only it was that easy

if people were smart they would build up a solid traffic network before they even started working on a paysite

so many site owners think if they throw up a paysite and open an affiliate program, people will instantly come and push that site....hahahahaha

here is some reality for those people....I have been working with nscash for 3 years now....I bring people into the program in hopes that they will push my wife's site. In the past 3 years I have referred 56 new webmasters into nscash...now take a guess how much money those 56 webmaster are making?

an average of $900 a month

that is a typical affiliate these days, the market is so flooded in every niche that affiliate programs are finding it harder and harder to bring in new ACTIVE affiliates...even if you get the affiliate signed up, chances of them sending any traffic are pretty small

the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything more than spare change to buy pizza with

this is for new sites mind you, established programs already have that affiliate base, so it is a lot easier

this is also just my opinion though, and like assholes, we all have one

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=274027

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=274027

Yes, I know already. My guys run the comic book industry and conventions too. I may add some caution here, if ONE just ONE minor gets into one of your seminars or gets his or her hands on any 'memorabilia' you could be in trouble. Just be cautious. I'll send some of my boys over to say howdy to you if they can get away from autographing stuff and networking.

We should hook up one day and shoot the breeze.

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Didn't know 1,000 members was that hard to come by. I must be doing something smart.

If a small site is making $75-$90k gross that's not bad at all. If invested right it could put you in a range of personal wealth in a million bucks not to long down the road ( real estate ).

Yes, some people have too high expectations. I never did. I just followed one simple equation:

I have fans + My fans like tits + I draw tits good + I put drawings of tits on website + I charge money = I earn money.

Add 'more' and 'better' to any of those variable and I win out. Besides, I've met some great minds over the years in the biz who always have a hook up

So I shuts up and learns when need be.