$350 for acting in a porn flick?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"

This is like deja vu all over again. I have been hearing this mantra for years and it just isn't true.

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

[HellHouse]

Jace you're right. Everyone i know, including myself, considers 5000 sold to be the porn industry equivelent of a 'gold record'

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

[Peaches]

And I've been doing it for free all these years............

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

Congrats youve just earned a

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

100% totally agree

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Jace

100% totally agree

http://www.oprano.com/pearls.html

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

It really depends on the personality of the actor. How well their site is laid out and of course processing support. word of email is fast. A hot site really doesn't need to advertise cause one mug will tell another and another. Some sites don't even need to be hardcore to do well.

I don't know how corporate this site is but 'Wifey's World' is very popular. It's got it's main star and her boyfriend/husband and she does the same thing in each clip. If she runs the site she should be doing well considering how popular it is.

Remember when Bang Bus started? People actually thought it was real. We laughed our asses off because we knew it was a gag. It was unique, had good performances and funnier than shit. Word of mouth shot that site and company through the roof.

I do toons. I've had umpteen gillion toonists come to me, we set up a site for them and they fell off. They had tons of traffic, great looking art but they didn't know wtf the surfer was looking for.

With almost a billion people on the web, the statistics are that probably 100 million have enough money to actually buy shit. A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well! 1,000 members at 10-20 bucks a month is more than enough to get by on unless you're a junkie or degenerate gambler or have child payments/alimony.

Depending on your overhead that is. Add to that affiliates and you can do extremely well if you have charm and charisma.

I'm finishing up my second affiliate program. I know right off the bat I only need ten pro level webmasters to put me over the top. Why? Because I know they know wtf they're doing. I'd rather have ten kick ass guys than 1,000 bullshitters who are only sending circle jerk traffic.

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

[gonzo]

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

[softball]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

jesus, if only it was that easy

if people were smart they would build up a solid traffic network before they even started working on a paysite

so many site owners think if they throw up a paysite and open an affiliate program, people will instantly come and push that site....hahahahaha

here is some reality for those people....I have been working with nscash for 3 years now....I bring people into the program in hopes that they will push my wife's site. In the past 3 years I have referred 56 new webmasters into nscash...now take a guess how much money those 56 webmaster are making?

an average of $900 a month

that is a typical affiliate these days, the market is so flooded in every niche that affiliate programs are finding it harder and harder to bring in new ACTIVE affiliates...even if you get the affiliate signed up, chances of them sending any traffic are pretty small

the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything more than spare change to buy pizza with

this is for new sites mind you, established programs already have that affiliate base, so it is a lot easier

this is also just my opinion though, and like assholes, we all have one

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Didn't know 1,000 members was that hard to come by. I must be doing something smart.

If a small site is making $75-$90k gross that's not bad at all. If invested right it could put you in a range of personal wealth in a million bucks not to long down the road ( real estate ).

Yes, some people have too high expectations. I never did. I just followed one simple equation:

I have fans + My fans like tits + I draw tits good + I put drawings of tits on website + I charge money = I earn money.

Add 'more' and 'better' to any of those variable and I win out. Besides, I've met some great minds over the years in the biz who always have a hook up

So I shuts up and learns when need be.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

Thanks Gonzo, you know I respect Andy. My traffic is targeted and growing. I've increased income by 15% in one month of doing it more than part time. Launched an affiliate program, increased traffic by a third and increasing each day and that's before the affiliate's gone full bore.

Believe me bro, I know what I'm doing or I wouldn't have lasted this long. I just didn't need to do it or wanted to do it full time. Now I can afford to fart around and do it full time.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

rehetorical hit it on the head in the above post

you can be a vanilla porn girl all day long, but if you aren't interesting you won't go far

problem is, most porn girls aren't interesting...and when a porn girl is only in it for the money the members/buyers can tell, and she will not go far

which is why I personally always think it is in a girls best interest to find someone who has a proven track record of launching successful solo sites to come in and work with her, which is where my statement about having a good backer comes in....I didn't really mean backer in terms of money, it was more about experience

I will tell you this though, I do know a lot of porn girls personally, and I share ideas and info with them, and fact is, whether people believe it or not, if a porn star is running a site all on her own then it is a HUGE success if that girl has over 150 members

in fact, out of the 10-18 porn girls I know and chat with, I can count on one hand the girls that have over 150 members, and only one of those has over 250 members....girls, sponsors and webmaster ALWAYS lie about what they make and how many members they have

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

I cannot figure out why a well done site shouldn't get 1,000 members at like $20 a month? Some surfers own memberships to several sites.

Considering the volume of surfers and money spent someone is raking in the dough.

What also surprises me is I see new models every week. All ages too. I'm surprised at the number of older women in their 60s appearing on sites! Popular too!

I have no idea how these models are recruited unless it's just the growing population percentage wise. What do ya say to a chick to get her to model hardcore? I guess the same you say to get em' to walk a street corner.

People love porn or it wouldn't be a multi-billion $$$ industry. As the population grows so will the business I suppose. If we dropped prices would we get more members?

Let's say a site with 150 members at $30 a month dropped it's price to $15. Would they then jump to 300 members or more? Logically it appears that it would but if you have a high overhead I guess it wouldn't be equitable.

If I dropped my price to $5 I would have 10,000 crumbsnatchers piling through. Believe you me I know as I have a niche where the memberships get that high and higher and they told me right out to drop to that price not knowing that I would probably only be able to make $1 on each sale.

[photogregg]

Originally Posted by Jace

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

Ok, my first post on Oprano in a year. Here's my view, from what's happening with my clients now:

- www.brookeskye.com did over 200 joins per day with Mayors Money and did that for over 6 months, retention is great because the girl is on her cam everytime we shoot and everyday, most of the day...the numbers are off the chain.

- www.katiekaos.com is new and doing 30-40 joins a day and she's a bitch that won't do anything, just unique content we shot and a natural redhead

we've shot other solo sites for the big players...some of these girls are cute, hot, awesome, and they just don't sell...still haven't figured it other, other than getting enough webmasters to promote them and giving them the tools to make it happen

We have 3 hotties staying at our house now shooting for pornpayouts.com that should do well. The girls are great, the content is high definition, the team include Janell who used to be with topbucks that will be promoting them. But again, even though I think all 3 girls are awesome, I bet only 1 of the 3 will get 75% of the signups...so many variables.