Pics from the Runaway Success show of the year, Xbiz Summer Forum 06 Vegas.....

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Now if they'd just move it back a month to lower the temperature from roughly that of a calderon to only an oven....

Ah, but if they did that it would fuck up Alec Hemy's plan to screw AVN and the summer Internext. I predict that next year the show date will be moved even closer to Internext. I think this year they put it in the middle of Cybernet and Internext to steal from both, but Cybernet is so small and had some issues this year so next year I doubt they'll worry about them.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Ah, but if they did that it would fuck up Alec Hemy's plan to screw AVN and the summer Internext. I predict that next year the show date will be moved even closer to Internext. I think this year they put it in the middle of Cybernet and Internext to steal from both, but Cybernet is so small and had some issues this year so next year I doubt they'll worry about them.

There has to be a weeding out of shows, there are way too many of them. The strong will survive.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by JFK

There has to be a weeding out of shows, there are way too many of them. The strong will survive.

So Alec is the man to do the weeding eh? Seems to me that the webmasters do the weeding. They go to the shows they like and do good business at and the ones that are poorly attended will die naturally.

Frankly I think it makes no sense to say there are too many shows. There are as many shows as sponsors and webmaster wish to support.

The really funny part of what you just said is the XBiz just added a NEW show and yet you say they are doing it to REDUCE the number of shows?

The only show Alec Helmy is trying to weed out is run by AVN.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Hammer

So Alec is the man to do the weeding eh? Seems to me that the webmasters do the weeding. They go to the shows they like and do good business at and the ones that are poorly attended will die naturally.

Frankly I think it makes no sense to say there are too many shows. There are as many shows as sponsors and webmaster wish to support.

The really funny part of what you just said is the XBiz just added a NEW show and yet you say they are doing it to REDUCE the number of shows?

The only show Alec Helmy is trying to weed out is run by AVN.

Nowhere Did I say, or even imply, that Helmy will do the weeding, always have. My concern is how long can the pace be kept up, the avarege webmaster cant afford to take the time, or foot the expenses for a show every 2 weeks. There is just not enough return on the investment.
If you care to read the next Issue of The FUBAR TImes, there is an article in there addressing this situation. This was written apx 3 months ago, based on what I hear around the shows. It has nothing to do with 2 media groups being in competition.

[Hammer]

Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, I just think it's funny to talk about what you refer to as the runaway success of the year and at the same time say there are too many shows. Even if I agreed that there were too many (which I don't), it wouldn't seem to make much sense to applaud a new one at the same time that you say there are too many. (Yes I realize you're tight with XBiz now so you're hyping them.)

The reason it seems that there are too many is because they are all stacked in the same 6 months of the year. Except for some minor shows, the majors start in January and end at the first of August and we have Phoenix, Cybernet, XBiz and Internext all jammed into less than a 4 month period.

If Alec wasn't so intent on fucking up AVNs summer show, it seems to me it would have made far more sense to put his in October or November in a nice warm place.

4 major shows in 6 months is too much -- even for those that can afford it -- but spreading the 4 popular shows out over an entire year instead of cramming them all into half a year would make it easier for more webmasters to attend them all and then they could all make money.

p.s. Since you make a living attending these shows and taking the photos, does it really matter to you how many there are? Just asking.

Me thinks I'm going to have to make this the topic of discussion on my new radio show.

I hope you don't take my comments personally Julius, I just disagree with your opinion and am stating my own.

[WebairGerard]

Great pics as always. Thanks for sharing.

[Hammer]

By the way, Julius. I would be happy to read your magazine if I got one. I don't get AVN so how do I get a subscription to your magazine?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, I just think it's funny to talk about what you refer to as the runaway success of the year and at the same time say there are too many shows. Even if I agreed that there were too many (which I don't), it wouldn't seem to make much sense to applaud a new one at the same time that you say there are too many. (Yes I realize you're tight with XBiz now so you're hyping them.)

The reason it seems that there are too many is because they are all stacked in the same 6 months of the year. Except for some minor shows, the majors start in January and end at the first of August and we have Phoenix, Cybernet, XBiz and Internext all jammed into less than a 4 month period.

If Alec wasn't so intent on fucking up AVNs summer show, it seems to me it would have made far more sense to put his in October or November in a nice warm place.

4 major shows in 6 months is too much -- even for those that can afford it -- but spreading the 4 popular shows out over an entire year instead of cramming them all into half a year would make it easier for more webmasters to attend them all and then they could all make money.

p.s. Since you make a living attending these shows and taking the photos, does it really matter to you how many there are? Just asking.

Me thinks I'm going to have to make this the topic of discussion on my new radio show.

I hope you don't take my comments personally Julius, I just disagree with your opinion and am stating my own.

Hammer first of all, I'm tight with every publication So I am an equal opportunity Hyper

Let me ask you something, if you put on a show and the attendance exceeds your expectations by a Big wide margin, would you not call it an overwhelming success? Read some of the comments on the other boards in regards to it.

Not many promoters will put a show in a nice warm place in October or November because it costs too much, if you follow the boards this has been discussed ad infinitum.

"Since you make a living attending these shows and taking the photos, does it really matter to you how many there are? Just asking."

I realize I'm biting the hand that feeds me, but I am at every show and I do hear comments in regards to it. I just brought it to the forefront. So dont kill the messenger.

"Me thinks I'm going to have to make this the topic of discussion on my new radio show."

Glad I can be an assisstance in getting you new topics, let me know what the results will be.

Btw competiton in any business is healthy, as you will get a better product ultimately.


I hope you don't take my comments personally Hammer, I just disagree with your opinion and am stating my own

oops almost forgot you can sign up here for the magazine, you will be in on the next cycle, or I will have a booth at internext, so you can get it there
http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/times.htm

[Hammer]

Thanks Julius, I'll sign up today and pick up the current issue at your booth.

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, but it would be nice if the promoters thought more about the webmasters than their own agendas.

BTW. Gonzo and I will be conducting some live interviews at Internext and I'll be using them on my show, so maybe we can have a chat with you about this and other fascinating topics.

p.s. I'm having some crazy tshirts made to promote my new show and will be wearing them at the show and I'd love it if you could get some good shots of me. Drugs are bad, publicity are good.... mmmkay?