What are "normal" conversions these days?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by vdc-Loki

I'm seeing 1:250 for our chubby teen right now, and thats off Xpeeps lol

-Loki-

If you peeped the newsletter a few weeks ago youd know that BBW/Chunky traffic is "running wild".

What ya gonna do???

[vdc-Loki]

Originally Posted by gonzo

If you peeped the newsletter a few weeks ago youd know that BBW/Chunky traffic is "running wild".

What ya gonna do???

yeah kind of figured, but the xpeeps stats are looking 2 sweeeet

-Loki-

[melody]

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by melody

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

Just when you thought you were out.... they pulled you back in?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by melody

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

Like mainstream is easy?

I have mainstream ventures, always have. They do quite well and represent a growing percentage of my income and portfolio...

But that said, different challenges, but still a pain in the ass. For the most part the membership model is a much tougher sell in mainstream. So you have to deliver a product of some sort, either hard goods or soft ware. There are some "service" oriented opportunities. And of course there's the mainstream version of the affiliate game and even flat out selling raw traffic.

Differences? Nothing is as easy to sell as sex. And most mainstreamers give you a much smaller percentage and want to sit on it for an entire quarter.

But then at least it's a realistic business model that doesn't scorch earth on the traffic you feed to it.

[melody]

No, I kept my adult sites, I'm just building again whereas I was at a standstill for a long while.

I still have my mainstream sites, too, and do very well between October 1st and January 1st, since that's the scope of my traffic. I am just burned out there (though still building traffic) where I was once burned out in adult. lol It's a matter of focus and direction and etc, I guess.

[gonzo]

Ive seen the traffic myth debunked already once this year.
Brand new free porn site... launched with almost no content and no paid advertising for 3 months. This site was up to a million and a half impressions a day before it was aggresively promoted.

Whats more is I bet I see another one in the next few days do the same damn thing.

Only thing lacking in this business is the enthusiasm to innovate. Too many people want a 'hamburger helper" solution.

Throw up a simple page/tgp/blog/link list etc ... make a couple of trades and sit back and make a living.

Big Vito ended up getting killed because he refused to do an honest days worth of work.

No more Johnny Cakes.

[slavdogg]

all you TGP lovin cocksuckers killed this biz

and now you're all complaining ??

[Jace]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

all you TGP lovin cocksuckers killed this biz

and now you're all complaining ??

I don't think there are many tgp lovers on this board, at least not that I have seen

but you are right, tgp's did hurt the internet money really bad, but now that they are here this strong and they are the "thing" for newbies to do to make them feel like they are porn webmasters, we have to find ways to make money around them

I personally try to have very little to do with tgp's...when I am doing link trades, when I am buying links, etc...I will not work with tgp's very much, and the ones I do work with I know them and their traffic before hand

[melody]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

all you TGP lovin cocksuckers killed this biz

and now you're all complaining ??

Whoa, for a second there, I thought I was on GFY. lol

TGPs are fine -- the problem is with the TGP webmaster. If they give away too much, it causes a problem. You sell the sizzle, not the steak. Don't blame TGPs. Blame inept/boobnoob webmasters. Giving stuff away free to sell stuff is a time honored tradition.

Anyway, I think P2P did more damage than TGPs.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ive seen the traffic myth debunked already once this year.
Brand new free porn site... launched with almost no content and no paid advertising for 3 months. This site was up to a million and a half impressions a day before it was aggresively promoted.

Whats more is I bet I see another one in the next few days do the same damn thing.

Only thing lacking in this business is the enthusiasm to innovate. Too many people want a 'hamburger helper" solution.

Throw up a simple page/tgp/blog/link list etc ... make a couple of trades and sit back and make a living.

Big Vito ended up getting killed because he refused to do an honest days worth of work.

No more Johnny Cakes.

Well seeded and financed though. Not just any "broke ass motherfucker"(tm) is going to be able to do that.