What are "normal" conversions these days?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by melody

I swear I'm stuck in a time loop or something. I swear I've had this same conversation a million times over the last eight years ... at Ynot, CONDOM, Netpond, etc, etc, etc ...

But to take the official stance again -- you're absolutely right, the business utterly sucks and no one but no one should enter it now. ;-) It's only for the old-timers who know what they're doing.

And the answer changes about every 3 months.

[vdc-Loki]

I'm seeing 1:250 for our chubby teen right now, and thats off Xpeeps lol

-Loki-

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by vdc-Loki

I'm seeing 1:250 for our chubby teen right now, and thats off Xpeeps lol

-Loki-

If you peeped the newsletter a few weeks ago youd know that BBW/Chunky traffic is "running wild".

What ya gonna do???

[vdc-Loki]

Originally Posted by gonzo

If you peeped the newsletter a few weeks ago youd know that BBW/Chunky traffic is "running wild".

What ya gonna do???

yeah kind of figured, but the xpeeps stats are looking 2 sweeeet

-Loki-

[melody]

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by melody

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

Just when you thought you were out.... they pulled you back in?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by melody

>it just isn't easy anymore.

IMO, it never was easy. I think the difference is back then we were revved up and excited. Nowadays, we're older and burned-out and jaded ... which is why I went to mainstream for two years.

Like mainstream is easy?

I have mainstream ventures, always have. They do quite well and represent a growing percentage of my income and portfolio...

But that said, different challenges, but still a pain in the ass. For the most part the membership model is a much tougher sell in mainstream. So you have to deliver a product of some sort, either hard goods or soft ware. There are some "service" oriented opportunities. And of course there's the mainstream version of the affiliate game and even flat out selling raw traffic.

Differences? Nothing is as easy to sell as sex. And most mainstreamers give you a much smaller percentage and want to sit on it for an entire quarter.

But then at least it's a realistic business model that doesn't scorch earth on the traffic you feed to it.

[melody]

No, I kept my adult sites, I'm just building again whereas I was at a standstill for a long while.

I still have my mainstream sites, too, and do very well between October 1st and January 1st, since that's the scope of my traffic. I am just burned out there (though still building traffic) where I was once burned out in adult. lol It's a matter of focus and direction and etc, I guess.

[gonzo]

Ive seen the traffic myth debunked already once this year.
Brand new free porn site... launched with almost no content and no paid advertising for 3 months. This site was up to a million and a half impressions a day before it was aggresively promoted.

Whats more is I bet I see another one in the next few days do the same damn thing.

Only thing lacking in this business is the enthusiasm to innovate. Too many people want a 'hamburger helper" solution.

Throw up a simple page/tgp/blog/link list etc ... make a couple of trades and sit back and make a living.

Big Vito ended up getting killed because he refused to do an honest days worth of work.

No more Johnny Cakes.