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Old 05-01-2006   #1
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Old 05-01-2006   #2
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I didn't know it was finally coming to frutation. Any websites that might give us a clue?
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Old 05-01-2006   #3
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The latest I had heard was they have for all practical purposes bailed. The patent shit that held the blackberry hostage has brought it under scrutiny.

Ill poke around and see what Far L has to say.
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I wonder if people pay them or not, I see their stock is on a high side
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I wonder if people pay them or not, I see their stock is on a high side
its because they have been buying more and more patent portfolios in addition to licenses sold outside of adult. it has nothing to do with adult stuff.
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Who wants to be posterchild for Acacia today? They want money, they can go to court
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I wonder what it's like working for Acacia, knowing that the company you work for is viewed as a big slimey sewer leach by the entire business world.

Are there companies out there that still pay them? As far as I know, the answer to that is yes. Those who chose to settle still continue to pay as far as I've heard. No less than they deserve.
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They sent out another round of shakedown letters approx. ~6-9 months ago, I remember getting mine (the 3rd since this whole thing began) and throwing it directly into the trash.
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They sent out another round of shakedown letters approx. ~6-9 months ago, I remember getting mine (the 3rd since this whole thing began) and throwing it directly into the trash.
with an avatar like yours, you are obligated to ignore any threats!
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They sent out another round of shakedown letters approx. ~6-9 months ago, I remember getting mine (the 3rd since this whole thing began) and throwing it directly into the trash.
Same here. I haven't heard from them since.
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They are probably a "sleeping tiger" right now - and we know what Serge says about that - don't we?
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They sent out another round of shakedown letters approx. ~6-9 months ago, I remember getting mine (the 3rd since this whole thing began) and throwing it directly into the trash.

Nice to hear. :>))

Nice to see you around too!!
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I wonder what it's like working for Acacia, knowing that the company you work for is viewed as a big slimey sewer leach by the entire business world.

Are there companies out there that still pay them? As far as I know, the answer to that is yes. Those who chose to settle still continue to pay as far as I've heard. No less than they deserve.
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I was thinking that people probably said the same about being in the porn business.
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Robin, are they a BUY in your opinion?
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We are still fighting them but it has been a lot easier for us since the mainstream big media co.s were pulled into the same court, same judge - who now has ruled against them twice in the "markmen hearing" phase of the process. As a result Acacia has had to back off of one of their major claims which means all the subsequent claims based on that one are untenable positions.

They will appeal of course just because they are idiots that way but looks like we will all be out on non-infringement before anyone can say "Ron Levy dropped his pants for Acacia".


This means all the "smart business decision" companies that settled will be paying still for 20 more years or so.
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business decision" companies that settled will be paying still for 20 more years or so.
how so? its standard language that if the patent is invalidated etc, then the license agreement is no longer in force correct?
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how so? its standard language that if the patent is invalidated etc, then the license agreement is no longer in force correct?
No, because there is a difference between "invalidation" and "non-infringement". We are likely going to be out on non-infringement - meaning we don't have to go the extra long mile to get an "invalidation" of the patent. Conversely, everyone who signed and agreed to the patent validated it as applied to their own business.

I know all those who settled thought that we would spend all the cash to invalidate it while they sat back thinking they made the smart biz move. They will still have to pay. And pay, and pay, and pay...
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No, because there is a difference between "invalidation" and "non-infringement". We are likely going to be out on non-infringement - meaning we don't have to go the extra long mile to get an "invalidation" of the patent. Conversely, everyone who signed and agreed to the patent validated it as applied to their own business.

I know all those who settled thought that we would spend all the cash to invalidate it while they sat back thinking they made the smart biz move. They will still have to pay. And pay, and pay, and pay...
oh... hahha.. so basically, you guys will have been found to be not infringing and the patent is still valid... so ron & co. have no recourse because they have already agreed that they were infringing?
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my hats off to you guys farrel. i think you deserve the chance to gloat and i can certainly see where there would be a certain degree of satisfaction found in the situation those who agreed to settle with the logic of it being cheaper than fighting, will have to keep paying or fight anyway.
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my hats off to you guys farrel. i think you deserve the chance to gloat and i can certainly see where there would be a certain degree of satisfaction found in the situation those who agreed to settle with the logic of it being cheaper than fighting, will have to keep paying or fight anyway.

Thanks!

I won't really be able to truly gloat until the full truth comes out about some of the companies that settled and what they did to friends, partners, affiliates in the name of trying to save their own asses.
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