Serge, better not move back to New Jersey

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

This is an excellent idea BTW in my opinion.

So - you, as an owner of Oprano, think that you should be accountable for my actions on your board?

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

So - you, as an owner of Oprano, think that you should be accountable for my actions on your board?

yes I do. as I think it is irresponsible to allow outright slander/libel

if someone said pornodoggys progam coul be shaving . that is board talk and all have a chance to comment on it .

if someone said pornodoggy is thief and steals my money ( then I think there should be a fact based to allow that to stay present)

The question and something that I would find problematic is who deicdes if it is fact or not ???

I think if someone calls someon a child molestor for example that it should not be allowed on the board. if someon says someone has a little dick and cant get a hard on then I think that is different.

at the end of the day though the probl;em is not a cencorship problem, I think it has more to do with good judgment and system abuse, people constantly use the interent for bad reasons and to slander products or people without cause.

I think we need legislation of some sort ( just as we have libel and slander laws) and laws prohibiting people from yelling fire in an open building or joking about a bomb in their pants on an airplne for example.

The internet is not some automatic hiding place that should allow for any different treatment than one would be held responsible for in real life.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

I think we need legislation of some sort ( just as we have libel and slander laws) and laws prohibiting people from yelling fire in an open building or joking about a bomb in their pants on an airplne for example.

DOS TIP -
Libel and slander laws already apply to the internet.

[Sin]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

if someone said pornodoggy is thief and steals my money ( then I think there should be a fact based to allow that to stay present)

The question and something that I would find problematic is who deicdes if it is fact or not ???

We actually had an issue -exactly- like that (quite literally) on another board that I visit, not too long ago.

A board member somehow conned a rather well known & respected member of the industry, out of 1k. We held a photoshop contest to "Put ____ behind bars!" and the admins let the contest run,...and run... and run... for quite a few days, and then they closed the thread & we weren't allowed to actually finish the contest.

Some great photochops in there though.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

So - you, as an owner of Oprano, think that you should be accountable for my actions on your board?

Joe might think so but I dont.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

So - you, as an owner of Oprano, think that you should be accountable for my actions on your board?

forum owners should be held responsible, because doing nothing helps facilitate the wrong doing. the forum owner is actually in a situation where they BENEFIT from libel and slander. when someone seriously slanders a company, it is certain to get a lot of attention, the drama increases threadviews, pageviews, etc. theres motivation for them to actually leave it there, even if they know its not truthful.

forum owners cannot sit back and idly watch as people committ crimes. ignorance is not defense. they provide an outlet for any person to communicate with many people, which is a very powerful and beneficial tool, but in certain situations and the specific situation this law addresses, it can be abused.

the law would make forum owners act in a certain way should someone libel a company, they would have the added responsibility of ensuring its truthful. gonzo is right, the laws do apply to the internet, however they are hard to enforce which is what this law addresses

theres one flaw i see to all of this which hasn't been brought up, and thats mikeai's fear of a big, interventionalist gov't. any time info is collected, you have to be wary that the gov't we have in place may use it for whatever they deem necessary which is scary. they have already tried manipulating and modifying laws and actions to do just this (See google and the gov't attempting to collect info on peoples search behavior). personal information is precious, but this flaw is one you cannot stop. all you can do is go out and elect the right people who won't abuse the power (good luck).

other than that, this law is great. people may not see it as a big problem now, but in the future i anticipate this will be a huge problem.

[Biggy]

i want to relate a personal story to all of this, one where this is the first time im publicly stating these facts. i manage the melissa midwest affiliate program, not sure if many people here knew that.

a few months ago, someone was ripping off our content and using melissa in advertisiements for their live cam/chat affiliate program. we sent them a nice email to remove it, your standard email where most people cooperate or ignore it until we contact their host. But not this time, this time we got back a very interesting response. They sent us back an email claiming melissa works for them and they had an agreement with her. how laughable that is. we created a thread on the biggest adult webmaster board "so and so company is a bunch of thieving content scammers." this program buys ad space on webmaster boards and exhibits at major shows, although they are not a huge company. what we posted was 100% truthful, and we had a fucked up email from them to prove it. they then responded publicly and eventually apologized, made some bullshit claims about how our photos aren't copyrighted and how they can use them, but nonetheless agreed to take it down and apologized. this is where the story gets interesting..

in the background of all this, they then emailed the owner of the board demanding to take our thread down, that they were paid sponsors of the board and some of their webmaster shows. they responded nicely and said they wouldnt, that we have provided sufficient evidence that backed up our claims. Later in that thread, some new usernames surfaced bashing us, calling melissa all sorts of names and doing whatever they could to defame us and have it sound realistic - personal insults and whatnot. A little ip referencing, and guess what - the ips of the new usernames matched the ips of the email sent to the board by the program and the username where they apologized in public on the board.

this is not an isolated incident, and will be a problem into the future as the internet expands and as message boards expands. it clearly is a problem already claimed by many. lets not forget all the forums out there that rip off people's content, trade passwords, credit card information, and all the other illegal activity which message boards help facilitate. this a law i feel pretty strongly for, the benefits outweigh the costs IMO. people will need to think twice about what they post when they make accusatory statements. if you experience downtime with a host, complaining about it will be fine. if sales suck with a sponsor, that as well. this law wont eliminate any of that.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Biggy

i want to relate a personal story to all of this, one where this is the first time im publicly stating these facts. i manage the melissa midwest affiliate program, not sure if many people here knew that.

a few months ago, someone was ripping off our content and using melissa in advertisiements for their live cam/chat affiliate program. we sent them a nice email to remove it, your standard email where most people cooperate or ignore it until we contact their host. But not this time, this time we got back a very interesting response. They sent us back an email claiming melissa works for them and they had an agreement with her. how laughable that is. we created a thread on the biggest adult webmaster board "so and so company is a bunch of thieving content scammers." this program buys ad space on webmaster boards and exhibits at major shows, although they are not a huge company. what we posted was 100% truthful, and we had a fucked up email from them to prove it. they then responded publicly and eventually apologized, made some bullshit claims about how our photos aren't copyrighted and how they can use them, but nonetheless agreed to take it down and apologized. this is where the story gets interesting..

in the background of all this, they then emailed the owner of the board demanding to take our thread down, that they were paid sponsors of the board and some of their webmaster shows. they responded nicely and said they wouldnt, that we have provided sufficient evidence that backed up our claims. Later in that thread, some new usernames surfaced bashing us, calling melissa all sorts of names and doing whatever they could to defame us and have it sound realistic - personal insults and whatnot. A little ip referencing, and guess what - the ips of the new usernames matched the ips of the email sent to the board by the program and the username where they apologized in public on the board.

this is not an isolated incident, and will be a problem into the future as the internet expands and as message boards expands. it clearly is a problem already claimed by many. lets not forget all the forums out there that rip off people's content, trade passwords, credit card information, and all the other illegal activity which message boards help facilitate. this a law i feel pretty strongly for, the benefits outweigh the costs IMO. people will need to think twice about what they post when they make accusatory statements. if you experience downtime with a host, complaining about it will be fine. if sales suck with a sponsor, that as well. this law wont eliminate any of that.

You have just validated Joe's consipracy theory of misinformation.

BTW I remember that thread at the Zoo. They both looked like what they were ... scammers and thieves.