why there are no conservatives on Oprano? (Thanks God!)

[Jace]

i never quite understood what is exactly wrong with being a liberal?

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

you know, most of that is everything I hope to be as a human

and then there is Politcal Liberalism

Liberalism is an ideology, or current of political thought, which holds liberty as the primary political value.[1] Liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on the power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a free market economy that supports private enterprise, and a system of government that is transparent. This form of government favors liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law, and an equal opportunity to succeed. Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions which dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the divine right of kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Fundamental human rights that all liberals support include the right to life, liberty, and property. In many countries, modern liberalism differs from classical liberalism by asserting that government provision of some minimal level of material well-being takes priority over individual rights.

damn, i don't actually consider myself a liberal, but if that is what it means and if I had to choose something, I would say that what is described above seems the most rational

[nastyboy]

Originally Posted by Jace

Liberalism is an ideology, or current of political thought, which holds liberty as the primary political value.[1] Liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on the power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a free market economy that supports private enterprise, and a system of government that is transparent. This form of government favors liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law, and an equal opportunity to succeed. Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions which dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the divine right of kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Fundamental human rights that all liberals support include the right to life, liberty, and property. In many countries, modern liberalism differs from classical liberalism by asserting that government provision of some minimal level of material well-being takes priority over individual rights.

If thats liberalism then the Dems aren't liberals...more like communists and the Republicans have turned into the Taliban.

I dont know what I am anymore...
Pro Choice (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Sex (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Separation of Church/State - support, teach, accept it all or support, teach, accept none of it (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Business (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Pro Military (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Anti Welfare, Afermative Action (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Moderate on the environment...for God sakes drill in Alaska, build the nuke power plants and develop effective alternative fuels. (Gets me in trouble with both parties)

[Jace]

Originally Posted by nastyboy

If thats liberalism then the Dems aren't liberals...more like communists and the Republicans have turned into the Taliban.

I dont know what I am anymore...
Pro Choice (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Sex (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Separation of Church/State - support, teach, accept it all or support, teach, accept none of it (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Business (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Pro Military (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Anti Welfare, Afermative Action (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Moderate on the environment...for God sakes drill in Alaska, build the nuke power plants and develop effective alternative fuels. (Gets me in trouble with both parties)

you sound about like me man...aside from the affirmative action (i actually just don't know where I stand on that one, it is pretty complicated with me living in a mixed race family)

i also believe in the right to own guns and legalization and taxation of drugs

[nastyboy]

Originally Posted by Jace

you sound about like me man...aside from the affirmative action (i actually just don't know where I stand on that one, it is pretty complicated with me living in a mixed race family)

i also believe in the right to own guns and legalization and taxation of drugs

yup...I like guns and although I dont use (every drug I have ever tried except steroids has fucked me up royal) ....I'm all for legalizing.

Totally understand your position on the Affermative Action thing bro..good arguments on both sides of that one.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by nastyboy

yup...I like guns and although I dont use (every drug I have ever tried except steroids has fucked me up royal) ....I'm all for legalizing.

Totally understand your position on the Affermative Action thing bro..good arguments on both sides of that one.

I love me some guns....fun times haha

yeah, I was a partier back in the day, but I rarely do any drugs at all anymore, occasionally about once every 3 months we will have a fun night on the town....

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by nastyboy

If thats liberalism then the Dems aren't liberals...more like communists and the Republicans have turned into the Taliban.

I dont know what I am anymore...
Pro Choice (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Sex (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Separation of Church/State - support, teach, accept it all or support, teach, accept none of it (gets me in trouble with the Rebublicans)

Pro Business (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Pro Military (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Anti Welfare, Afermative Action (gets me in trouble with the Dems)

Moderate on the environment...for God sakes drill in Alaska, build the nuke power plants and develop effective alternative fuels. (Gets me in trouble with both parties)

You and me, we are the men without the party.
The time is ripe for a third major political party in this country.

[nastyboy]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

You and me, we are the men without the party.
The time is ripe for a third major political party in this country.

Amen to that...how about the Common Sense Party.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by nastyboy

Amen to that...how about the Common Sense Party.

I agree 100%!!!!

The problem is, niether party will allow a third to get the proper funding to make it a peer party of any significance ( or threat ) depending on how you look at it .

We need a complete overhaul of political system in this country ( just not the one Bush is doing now )