Bush is wrong, again!!

[OldJeff]

I agree that we should not torture suspects, but when we get the "known terrorists" that is a different story alltogether.

I am in favor of Melnibonian styles of torture (Any Elric fans in here ?)

[Mike AI]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

I agree that we should not torture suspects, but when we get the "known terrorists" that is a different story alltogether.

I am in favor of Melnibonian styles of torture (Any Elric fans in here ?)

Jeff we are on same page. I do not think we should be touturing the rank and file terrorists - most of them are clueless about operations and such. I am talking for the known guys, who are the leadership.

Drav, I would only Back Gore if I was in my Escalade, and he was laying behind it.

I support Bush, but he is far from perfect. He does not go far enough many times in my opinion and he certainly should be using his veto - especially with all the crazy spending coming from Congress.

[MorganGrayson]

I had to tape "NCIS" because my husband was at school and we watched it last night. Their new agent, from the Moussad, was assigned to interrogate a prisoner. She raised an eyebrow and said "you do realize I've never interrogated anyone without some kind of physical pain involved?"

One of the things I dislike the most about humans is their tendency to "paint with too broad a brush." Torture, like just about everything else, comes in "kinds." What kind of torture are we talking about here? Pliers on the testicles? That thing psychologists do with lights, darkness, loud music, etc., that causes the personality to break down?

We're the nation that has yet to come up with a definition for "cruel and unusual punishment." I doubt we're going to make great strides in defining "torture."

We'll just add that to the lengthy list of terms we can't define.

*sigh* Until we need a scapegoat for something. Then whatever that individual did will be labeled "torture" and some group will be mollified.

[Mike AI]

Definately a good point Morgan. Torture is out lawed by the US anyway, always has been. They are trying to stop any coercive interviewing, humiliation or anything like that. It is hard to draw lines, especially when other peoples lives may be on the line.

Honestly Congress should stick its nose out of it, and let the Pentagon handle it.

Congress refuses to handled their business ,but wants to stick their nose in everyone elses. ( pentagon, MLB, NFL, NCAAA, etc....)

The Republican congressional revolution that Newt started has become corrupt - it is time to throw them out.

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I had to tape "NCIS" because my husband was at school and we watched it last night. Their new agent, from the Moussad, was assigned to interrogate a prisoner. She raised an eyebrow and said "you do realize I've never interrogated anyone without some kind of physical pain involved?"

One of the things I dislike the most about humans is their tendency to "paint with too broad a brush." Torture, like just about everything else, comes in "kinds." What kind of torture are we talking about here? Pliers on the testicles? That thing psychologists do with lights, darkness, loud music, etc., that causes the personality to break down?

We're the nation that has yet to come up with a definition for "cruel and unusual punishment." I doubt we're going to make great strides in defining "torture."

We'll just add that to the lengthy list of terms we can't define.

*sigh* Until we need a scapegoat for something. Then whatever that individual did will be labeled "torture" and some group will be mollified.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

Definately a good point Morgan. Torture is out lawed by the US anyway, always has been. They are trying to stop any coercive interviewing, humiliation or anything like that. It is hard to draw lines, especially when other peoples lives may be on the line.

Honestly Congress should stick its nose out of it, and let the Pentagon handle it.

Congress refuses to handled their business ,but wants to stick their nose in everyone elses. ( pentagon, MLB, NFL, NCAAA, etc....)

The Republican congressional revolution that Newt started has become corrupt - it is time to throw them out.

It's extremely unrealistic to believe that we can plop a terrorist down in a chair at one of those little wooden tables, offer him a cup of coffee and say "so...about that bioterrorism attack you had planned...how 'bout you tell us all about that?" and anything is going to happen. We're dealing with people who strap bombs to themselves and to what we consider children and blow up large groups of stranger in the name of their god. They're going to require a "special touch" if we actually plan on getting any information out of them.

We have one huge shade of grey area here. Nobody likes the idea of torture, but we have to face the fact that fequently it's going to be necessary. One has to decide which team one is on and play for that team.

Will it be abused? Of course it will. Everything is.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

Drav, I would only Back Gore if I was in my Escalade, and he was laying behind it.

I might not agree with the sentiment, but I have to like the line.