The biggest difference between the business now

[Dravyk]

Not to knock you. I tend to agree with you.

But that said, much of what you're saying has to do with boards talk.

We both know that people who made tons of money either:
- still are, but are silent about it
- still are, but don't post, but have others post for them
- out of it, retiring on it, spending it and reinvesting the capital so they can maintain it
- still are, and keep coming out with new products or "version 20" or whatever
- aren't likely to come around and post how they did it, how a newbie can increase it, etc.

The beer money webmasters are still the posters. Not saying everyone who posts is only making beer money, saying though all of those webmasters do post and are the great majority of the posters (talking about across the dozens of boards).

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Not to knock you. I tend to agree with you.

But that said, much of what you're saying has to do with boards talk.

We both know that people who made tons of money either:
- still are, but are silent about it
- still are, but don't post, but have others post for them
- out of it, retiring on it, spending it and reinvesting the capital so they can maintain it
- still are, and keep coming out with new products or "version 20" or whatever
- aren't likely to come around and post how they did it, how a newbie can increase it, etc.

The beer money webmasters are still the posters. Not saying everyone who posts is only making beer money, saying though all of those webmasters do post and are the great majority of the posters (talking about across the dozens of boards).

No I think it has been taken to extremis to be honest.

There always was the guys just killing time etc etc

But in all honesty nowadays I feel there is no point in posting things I know will make money or improve the money someone makes.

For example you criticise Zeinna site and she gets all cunty...

She does not realise that she has had a wealth of experience in various fields giving her blunt advice....she takes it as everyone is "dissing" her rather than accepting it as a hard time lacking short but sweet criticism.

In all seriousness if she had handled the situation well , argued her way out of it...had a better attitude and basically impressed when she had the opportunity ,I'd have more confidence in sending traffic to her.

And I think she would have got way more traffic impressing 5 readers of this board than having her hand patted and being told "don't listen to the nasty men" on another board....

Its a change in peoples attitude over the years.

I think ...in fact I know... a lot of old school players read this board...

However they don't want to chime in on business because:

a.) no fucker listens..
b.) they will get in a moronic piss with someone without a clue
c.) there comments will be lost in the 100 "great programs" , "Awesome" "congratulation" posts...

As for the advertising they see here...

They come to Oprano because it is the old school board...no spin..

If a sponsor comes on and argues there cash explains why there program is better than an other...states mailer contact us for deal...etc etc

Some might sign up for programs that advertise here...but honestly...most are not gonna be persuaded to sign up for an Ipod , nor are they gonna want bimbettelucy of wankercash as their affiliate rep LOL.

For myself I would be more tempted to signup for a program that seemed professional and smart and on the ball...

A lot of what makes me decide where to send traffic is on what they don't say...the parties they don't throw...etc etc...weird?

Maybe I am.. LOL

But seriously treating Oprano as GFY from a sponsors point of view will never yield the rewards here.

I think it takes a different approach to land an old school whale....

Sorry in a thoughtful mode tonight..

[voodooman]

This is the best damn thread I have read in quite some time.

Zeina could have learned alot as Nick said if she would have handeled herself
differently, HOWEVER, She is content. At the end of the day, she is the one who can get traffic to her site, but alot depends on the webmaster doing her site also.

On a whole I think both of you have valid points though.
If anyone doesnt think this biz has changed over the years
just attend a show, thats proof enough. Instead of people hanging
out talking biz, everyone is to busy trying to get laid and see who
can out drink everyone else on the beer money that they saved up
by doing TGP's.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

But seriously treating Oprano as GFY from a sponsors point of view will never yield the rewards here.

I think it takes a different approach to land an old school whale....

Such a good point, just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the shuffle, I'll ask this. Loudly.

Yo! People with sponsor/affiliate programs ...

Answer me this (if you have the actual balls to do so honestly) ...

You niche your programs, you niche your banners, you tell your affiliates to niche, you tell your affiliates to treat each site differently that they have, to appeal differently depending upon the surfer hitting their sites, their gallieries, correct? Correct.

Therefore

Why are you such dumbasses that when it comes to boards and resources you

target them all the exact same way???

[selena]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Why are you such dumbasses that when it comes to boards and resources you

target them all the exact same way???

I'm honestly not following you on this post.

Can you explain how boards are targeted the same way?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by selena

I'm honestly not following you on this post.

Can you explain how boards are targeted the same way?

I think he means

Each board a sponsor advertises on gets:

The exact same banners
The exact same sticky threads
The exact same message

Rather than the sponsor customizing their message out to match the population of the board.

I think

[selena]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I think he means

Each board a sponsor advertises on gets:

The exact same banners
The exact same sticky threads
The exact same message

Rather than the sponsor customizing their message out to match the population of the board.

I think

Okay, that helps me understand it better. Thanks, sarettah.

I can't speak for anyone else, nor do I speak for JaYMan Cash as a whole. I speak about my role in it.

But I don't try to give the same message at every board I post on. Matter of fact, I do try to gear my posts toward the board of record. ie, I never start football threads on Netpond. I do on other boards. I don't post about Raven's newest pic set on the tranny board I post on. I don't post about the size of my last turd here, I do that on GFY.

Actually, I don't do that on GFY, but if I was going to post a post of that nature, that would be the board for it.

I do see what you are saying (if sarettah's interpretation is correct, that is) and agree. Anything done by sponsors on boards is marketing, and marketing should be targeted for best results.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by selena

But I don't try to give the same message at every board I post on. Matter of fact, I do try to gear my posts toward the board of record. ie, I never start football threads on Netpond. I do on other boards. I don't post about Raven's newest pic set on the tranny board I post on. I don't post about the size of my last turd here, I do that on GFY.

Actually, I don't do that on GFY, but if I was going to post a post of that nature, that would be the board for it.

I do see what you are saying (if sarettah's interpretation is correct, that is) and agree. Anything done by sponsors on boards is marketing, and marketing should be targeted for best results.

First, Sarettah, yes you were 100% on the mark as what I was getting at (based on Nick's comments.)

Selena, I have to agree that you get high marks on understanding the nature of boards and proceeding differently on each and not posting identical posts (as many marketers I've seen on here and elsewhere do, and think they're actually doing their job.)

That said, and just to be a minor ball-breaker, if your banners where directed at whales, and the refer code went to a whale-specific page for Oprano, that would be better still. Not singling you out, as again, no sponsor does this.

But yes, an IPod giveaway banner on GFY, pushing a free-hosted TGP on GG&Jims, whale banner on Oprano ... such things are just the start of where sponsors should have long ago gone. But mostly, maybe totally -- with the exception of some of their marketing personnels posts -- everyone gets the same spiel, the same banner, and every adult webmaster place, each with it's own distinct flavor, has up to now been treated identically. Cookie-cutter, no-brains "marketing". Phewy!

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I think he means

Each board a sponsor advertises on gets:

The exact same banners
The exact same sticky threads
The exact same message

Rather than the sponsor customizing their message out to match the population of the board.

I think

I've seen a few rare cases where a sponsor will target something specific on a board, something unique to that community, and it really and truly does increase interest. These boards ARE communities, and even in mainstream advertising, you don't advertise the same product to all communities the same way. Check out the flyers in a poorer area of a city as opposed to a higher scale area, or see the advertising in the Wall St. Journal as opposed to the local news rag. Each of these webmaster communities really has it's own demographic and you need to take the time to figure out what that is and appeal to it.

It really all just makes damn good advertising sense.

[selena]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

, nor are they gonna want bimbettelucy of wankercash as their affiliate rep LOL.

I was thinking of a name change to bimbettelucy, but it sounds like that might be a bad idea. Perhaps hawthanna instead.

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

No I think it has been taken to extremis to be honest.

There always was the guys just killing time etc etc

But in all honesty nowadays I feel there is no point in posting things I know will make money or improve the money someone makes.

For example you criticise Zeinna site and she gets all cunty...

She does not realise that she has had a wealth of experience in various fields giving her blunt advice....she takes it as everyone is "dissing" her rather than accepting it as a hard time lacking short but sweet criticism.

In all seriousness if she had handled the situation well , argued her way out of it...had a better attitude and basically impressed when she had the opportunity ,I'd have more confidence in sending traffic to her.

And I think she would have got way more traffic impressing 5 readers of this board than having her hand patted and being told "don't listen to the nasty men" on another board....

Its a change in peoples attitude over the years.

I think ...in fact I know... a lot of old school players read this board...

However they don't want to chime in on business because:

a.) no fucker listens..
b.) they will get in a moronic piss with someone without a clue
c.) there comments will be lost in the 100 "great programs" , "Awesome" "congratulation" posts...

As for the advertising they see here...

They come to Oprano because it is the old school board...no spin..

If a sponsor comes on and argues there cash explains why there program is better than an other...states mailer contact us for deal...etc etc

Some might sign up for programs that advertise here...but honestly...most are not gonna be persuaded to sign up for an Ipod , nor are they gonna want bimbettelucy of wankercash as their affiliate rep LOL.

For myself I would be more tempted to signup for a program that seemed professional and smart and on the ball...

A lot of what makes me decide where to send traffic is on what they don't say...the parties they don't throw...etc etc...weird?

Maybe I am.. LOL

But seriously treating Oprano as GFY from a sponsors point of view will never yield the rewards here.

I think it takes a different approach to land an old school whale....

Sorry in a thoughtful mode tonight..

Excellent post.

You're spot on about the way that some individuals interpret criticism. I shook my head in disbelief when I read some of Zeina's comments. FFS, what do people honestly expect when they ask for comments, even in some cases adding, "whether good or bad", and then get uppity when someone does precisely that ?

Recently in my day job I got to work with a guy who had previously been a very senior member of an international consultancy. Needless to say the guy had a reputation as being extremely difficult to work with. In spite of this I accepted the assignment that was offered, and worked alongside him for 16 months. Was it fun ? Some of it yes, but for the most part no. And the reason ? Because for 16 months I got to see how I measured up against someone who had been there, done it, and done it well enough to start up his own company that was making money. And yep, that meant for the most part I had my work shredded on a daily basis, and dismissed as being poor and/or inferior.

When I tell people about this, they always say sympathetically, "God, you must have hated working for that wanker". My answer ? Nope, I not only enjoyed it (as much as possible), but I benefitted from it immensely. The standard of my work increased dramatically, so much so that my day job career is now looking rosier by the minute. And that is basically because I didn't run away with hurt feelings the first time someone said to me, "You know what Dom, my five year old could have produced better work that this ?"

It's for this same reason that on and off Trev and Morgan have been helping me with various aspects of my adult work. I don't just want to have my work shredded - I recognise that as a newcomer it is vital, and that unless my stuff can stand up to scrutiny from you chaps, I might as well pack up and go home.

And yes, I studied essay based subjects at college

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

However they don't want to chime in on business because:

a.) no fucker listens..
b.) they will get in a moronic piss with someone without a clue
c.) there comments will be lost in the 100 "great programs" , "Awesome" "congratulation" posts...

Or why I don't post new ideas .....

.... they'll get copied soon enough without me giving the blue print somewhere

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Vick

Or why I don't post new ideas .....

.... they'll get copied soon enough without me giving the blue print somewhere

The most valid reason there is..