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[JR]

PD... i dont necessarily disagree with anything you said. I deeply resent the notion that Bush lied and thats why we went to war. I am sure he did lie about a lot of shit... but EVERYONE had an opinion about it before it came to that point. its not like we were all sitting here in a vacuum waiting for the final word for Dubya Bush, Our Lord and Savior before we formed an opinion on the matter. Neither was the rest of the government. He might have lied about a lot of things... but that does not change the fact that the case for war was there regardless.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THIS... MOST Americans after 9/11 were ready to pull the trigger regardless. It had nothing to do with anything Bush said. The case was there, he was an asshole. He was a bad guy and people just wanted to lash out.

I dont remember forming any opinions about invading Iraq based on ANYTHING Bush said. I seriously doubt all the liberals all over the world that are complaining today were on the fence until that mean ole nasty Mr Bush lied to them and tricked them. Thats just bullshit and childish. Own up to it.

You were one of the first ones to admit that the case was there and that you were a bit apprehensive about timing, motives etc. Thats fine. I would not expect you to be saying today "Holy Shit.. Bush lied to me" - because you know as well as i do that your opinions were not formed around Bush's "lies" and you were not personally decieved in the slightest bit. I have almost no respect for anyone who would suggest they were, because it would signal to me that they have zero integrity as a person.

sure... pick on the lies. Thats all fine and well... point them out, post them, debate them etc etc etc... but I really hate to see people belittle themselves by suggesting or implying that Bush was responsible for their views on Iraq. Thats just fucking pathetic.


And for once, I would like to see Liberals make up their minds... Either Bush is a total retard... or he is a brilliant master of the universe bending everyone to his will. He can't be both.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by JR

And for once, I would like to see Liberals make up their minds... Either Bush is a total retard... or he is a brilliant master of the universe bending everyone to his will. He can't be both.

I and most liberals have always been consistent that Bush is a total retard.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by JR

PD... i dont necessarily disagree with anything you said. I deeply resent the notion that Bush lied and thats why we went to war. I am sure he did lie about a lot of shit... but EVERYONE had an opinion about it before it came to that point. its not like we were all sitting here in a vacuum waiting for the final word for Dubya Bush, Our Lord and Savior before we formed an opinion on the matter. Neither was the rest of the government. He might have lied about a lot of things... but that does not change the fact that the case for war was there regardless.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THIS... MOST Americans after 9/11 were ready to pull the trigger regardless. It had nothing to do with anything Bush said. The case was there, he was an asshole. He was a bad guy and people just wanted to lash out.

I dont remember forming any opinions about invading Iraq based on ANYTHING Bush said. I seriously doubt all the liberals all over the world that are complaining today were on the fence until that mean ole nasty Mr Bush lied to them and tricked them. Thats just bullshit and childish. Own up to it.

You were one of the first ones to admit that the case was there and that you were a bit apprehensive about timing, motives etc. Thats fine. I would not expect you to be saying today "Holy Shit.. Bush lied to me" - because you know as well as i do that your opinions were not formed around Bush's "lies" and you were not personally decieved in the slightest bit. I have almost no respect for anyone who would suggest they were, because it would signal to me that they have zero integrity as a person.

sure... pick on the lies. Thats all fine and well... point them out, post them, debate them etc etc etc... but I really hate to see people belittle themselves by suggesting or implying that Bush was responsible for their views on Iraq. Thats just fucking pathetic.


And for once, I would like to see Liberals make up their minds... Either Bush is a total retard... or he is a brilliant master of the universe bending everyone to his will. He can't be both.

I meant what I said - I wish people would quit focusing on the fact that he lied about why we went to war, and look very hard at what he did when he got us there.

I was one of the people who - even though I should have been suspicious, since his lips were moving - originally accepted the President's assertions that Saddam had WMD.

You are right - the case for war appeared to have been made. When the U.S. government began to react to attempts to defuse the situation with responses that seemed straight out of Berlin, circa 1939, I became alarmed.

When Colin Powell went the U.N. and I was hoping for the case for war to be laid out with the fire and the factual foundation of Adli Stevenson during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I got a second-rate salesman making a piss-poor pitch for a third-rate product, my heart sank.

When the battle plan became apparent, I began to realize that something really, really foul was up.

When the bobbleheads began talking about “liberation of the Iraqi people” followed by “new front in the war on terror” I knew that The Who had been wrong.

We did get fooled again.

Seven more Americans died yesterday in Iraq.

Those Americans died at the hands of an insurgency.

That insurgency developed for one of two reasons - George W. Bush and his lackeys are incompetent, or this is what they wanted. . I'm not trying to have it both ways - he's one or the other. I don’t think he’s incompetent.

I think that the attitude of this Administration toward the lives of Iraqis and toward the lives of American military personnel make Henry Kissinger look like a fucking bleeding-heart tree-hugging humanitarian.

I think they thought we could open up a front in the war on terror and draw Al Qaeda and/or “organized” Islamic terror into a confrontation in Iraq.

The problem is, Al Qaeda and/or “organized” Islamic terror is not who we are fighting in Iraq. What/who we are fighting in Iraq are people we wouldn’t have to be fighting at all if we weren’t there.

Al Qaeda may claim credit for some things in Iraq, but they are a bit player. Those Al Qaeda cocksuckers are out there and planning their next attack. It might be the U.S., it might be the U.K., it could be anywhere in Europe or Asia – but it’s coming.

I have been saying since before Saddam's statue fell that the way we were going about the war in Iraq was going to recreate the dissolution of Yugoslavia.

The battle lines between Sunni and Shia are being drawn, and the confrontations are moving way beyond skirmishes. The relationship of ethnicity/denomination to bombings and mass killings is greatly under-reported in the Western press, and even more so in the American press.

If the Kurds - fairly quiet up until now - get into the act, it could turn a clusterfuck into a real nightmare. And yes, Virginia – it could get worse.

I honestly believe it’s going to get worse – much worse – before it gets better.

The damage to American prestige if we cut and run now would be incalculable.

The problem is, there may be no point in staying. We may not be able to control the forces we have set loose.