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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

The "pro-business" arguements ring kind of hollow. I've been around long enough to remember how the Clean Air Act was going to destroy the American economy. I've been around long enough to remember how the Clean Water Act was going to destroy the American economy. Oddly enough, the American economy has survived every piece of environmental legislation that was going to kill it. You would think they would learn a new line.

Nice twisting of the argument there PD I didn't say that anything was killing the economy. What I said was that the regulations that were canned were ones that were ineffective meaning they were not and could not accomplish their goals in the manner that they were implemented. So, forcing companies to spend additional money on something that was not working was a waste. Instead, those companies have additional funds to find more ecologically friendly paths to their profits.

George W is an environmentalist. He owns the fucking Ponderosa for god's sake. He loves nature, you can tell by how much time he devotes to spending outdoors.

Sheez, you can call Dubya whatever you want but don't even try to paint him as anti environment. The environment hasn't had such a friendly administration since the days of Teddy Roosevelt.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Nice twisting of the argument there PD I didn't say that anything was killing the economy. What I said was that the regulations that were canned were ones that were ineffective meaning they were not and could not accomplish their goals in the manner that they were implemented. So, forcing companies to spend additional money on something that was not working was a waste. Instead, those companies have additional funds to find more ecologically friendly paths to their profits.

George W is an environmentalist. He owns the fucking Ponderosa for god's sake. He loves nature, you can tell by how much time he devotes to spending outdoors.

Sheez, you can call Dubya whatever you want but don't even try to paint him as anti environment. The environment hasn't had such a friendly administration since the days of Teddy Roosevelt.

That's a damned lie.

The most environmentally friendly President since Teddy Roosevelt is my least favorite president - Nixon. Clinton tried to do more for national parkland, but most of that progress has been overturned.

I will give credit where it is due - forestry management has improved, and should reduce the danger of massive fires over time. Whether that was done for environmental purposes, or because it was viewed as an in for lumber companies is open to debate.

The fact that GW owns some property upon which photo ops are conducted doesn't mean he is an environmentalist.

Hell's bells, there's even some criticism of his environmental policies from within his base - those religious fundamentalists who have not been bought out by the money changers and who take seriously the admonition to be stewards of the earth.

The effectiveness of the regulations that have been overturned is open to debate. I am skeptical of much of what is said by folks like the Sierra Club, but I cannot take seriously claims that an individual who dismisses virtually every practicing scientist today who believes in global warming is environmentally conscious, let alone friendly.

Besides - he has yet to make his stand on natural racehorses clear.