Which is more obscene ?

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Red

The hypocracy of the American Government never fails to suprise and yet, not surprise me. That article does a great job of reminding people, what they can do to one, they can do to all.

What she said.

[sarettah]

War is war. It needs to be fought to win. Whatever means necessary to defeat the enemy. Period.

Porn is a different matter.

I see no contradiction between the use of justified torture in Afghanistan and Iraq and the administrations fight against porn.

[JR]

i love the fact that these conversations are usually imply that laws are not made by ELECTED officials and work their way through a pretty extensive system of checks and balances and due process. democracy at work is a bitch sometimes. you have to take the good with the bad. thats the deal.

if the whole country felt that the government was wrong about obscenity issues and new legislation... they would do something about it. however, it seems quite clear that the vast majority of the population either supports the administration in this area or could care less. ... so, welcome to a free democracy, representing the will of the people, working as perfectly as it can.

i think bush is an idiot. but if he can push through legislation making it a federal crime to drink a glass of water and no one cares and it actually becomes law... then the problem is not bush.


jmho

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by JR

if the whole country felt that the government was wrong about obscenity issues and new legislation... they would do something about it. however, it seems quite clear that the vast majority of the population either supports the administration in this area or could care less.

JR, I agree with pretty much everything else you said there -- except for the part above.

This is the same "populace" that causes chargebacks, because they don't want their wives, their mothers, whomever to know they are sitting at the computer buying memberships to porn sites. Who say they went bowling or whatever as to not they actually went to the live peep show or the strip club. Etc.

So yeah, right, they're going to all write Congress? With their names attached? ROTFL!

Come on now, JR. Everything else you said there is pretty much on the button, but -- you know, I know, we all know -- when it comes to porn that what people want is not something they will ever admit that they want.

Not publicly, at least they won't. But by sales, privately and en mass, and to the tune of $10 billion+ yearly, by voting with their hard-earned dollars -- we know they want porn. Hell, we wouldn't be in this industry otherwise.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

JR, I agree with pretty much everything else you said there -- except for the part above.

This is the same "populace" that causes chargebacks, because they don't want their wives, their mothers, whomever to know they are sitting at the computer buying memberships to porn sites. Who say they went bowling or whatever as to not they actually went to the live peep show or the strip club. Etc.

So yeah, right, they're going to all write Congress? With their names attached? ROTFL!

Come on now, JR. Everything else you said there is pretty much on the button, but -- you know, I know, we all know -- when it comes to porn that what people want is not something they will ever admit that they want.

Not publicly, at least they won't. But by sales, privately and en mass, and to the tune of $10 billion+ yearly, by voting with their hard-earned dollars -- we know they want porn. Hell, we wouldn't be in this industry otherwise.

i am not arguing with you.. you are proving my point. when its important, people get upset and take action and cause change. thats how the system works. the same populace that causes chargebacks because they dont want their wife to know about their porn surfing has no problems going out in the hundreds of thousands to protest clubbing baby seals, stop whaling, stop a nuclear powerplant from being built, protest against a war, fight to have legislation rescinded or whatever.

again.. the basic assumption in your remarks is that people care as much as you do, but they are just too stupid, too lazy and to unorganized and to fight for change.

if people are not upset enough to fight for change... its not Bush's fault. thats the deal. their will always be another "bush". the system as it was designed by our forefathers had nothing to do faith in voters to choose the perfect president and that he would act perfectly. the system was designed with a complex system of checks and balances under the basic assumption that people in general are flawed and will generally behave as such.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by JR

i think bush is an idiot. but if he can push through legislation making it a federal crime to drink a glass of water and no one cares and it actually becomes law... then the problem is not bush.


jmho