Spirituality, Religion, it's all bullshit....

[Sin]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Again, where do you get my beliefs from in there.

I stated facts not beliefs.

You stated beliefs.
You can neither disprove the presence of a spirit or soul anymore than I can prove it. It boils down to what we as individuals, choose to believe or disbelieve.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Sin

You stated beliefs.
You can neither disprove the presence of a spirit or soul anymore than I can prove it. It boils down to what we as individuals, choose to believe or disbelieve.

When someone in a laboratory setting can prove spirit or soul it will stop being bullshit, until then, all empirical evidence ppoints to the non existence of such, so it is bullshit.

As far as beliefs go. each person always has their own beliefs, often going in direct contradiction to established fact.

My daughter believes (for some reason) that if she ignores her credit card bills that they will somehow go away and not haunt her (lol...she even told me on one "oh, they'll just write it off"..I had to explain to her the implications of that)

Often people believe in God and spirits, etc because of personal proof (more often they believe it because the same person who told them about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny told them to believe it). That personal proof is often a "one time occurence" so it cannot be proven in any manner but the person will believe it wholeheartedly because they witnessed it and that is all the proof they need.

Facts just are.

[sarettah]

By the way. The way things work in the scientific world is that the burden of proof is on the claimant, as in those that claim something IS have to prove it IS, not the other way around. No matter how you try to flip flop it.

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by sarettah

By the way. The way things work in the scientific world is that the burden of proof is on the claimant, as in those that claim something IS have to prove it IS, not the other way around. No matter how you try to flip flop it.

You got it backwards

Einsteins theory of relativity has not yet been proven. Neither has Darwin, nor Big Bang, Nor anything about the dinosaurs.

Science starts with a hypothisis, and all actions taken are to DISPROVE the hypothisis. When disproval can not be found it is generally accepted as fact.

Relativity can not be proven until we see an object traveling the speed of light squared.

Same reason that the science world for decades said we evolved from monkeys, when more recent evidence points to our simply being a different branch of the evolutionary tree.

When I was a child Dinoraurs were reptiles, TRex stood straght up, and was the strongest hunter that walked the planet.

Recent evidence says birds, standing would break its spine, and it was a huge vulture.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

You got it backwards

Einsteins theory of relativity has not yet been proven. Neither has Darwin, nor Big Bang, Nor anything about the dinosaurs.

Science starts with a hypothisis, and all actions taken are to DISPROVE the hypothisis. When disproval can not be found it is generally accepted as fact.

Relativity can not be proven until we see an object traveling the speed of light squared.

Same reason that the science world for decades said we evolved from monkeys, when more recent evidence points to our simply being a different branch of the evolutionary tree.

When I was a child Dinoraurs were reptiles, TRex stood straght up, and was the strongest hunter that walked the planet.

Recent evidence says birds, standing would break its spine, and it was a huge vulture.

No, I don't have it backwards...lol... I think you misunderstood what I was addressing. I was addressing the fact that many people, if you ask them to prove there are ghosts will turn around and say "well, prove there aren't" as if that is a valid argument, which it is not.


I understand fully the scientific method and the fact that a theory is never actually proven. The beautiful thing about the scientific method is that it leaves things open to be challeneged and changed. The difference between science and a religion is that science is open to the challenge while religion allows no room for the challenge.

[Red]

Originally Posted by sarettah

When someone in a laboratory setting can prove spirit or soul it will stop being bullshit, until then, all empirical evidence ppoints to the non existence of such, so it is bullshit.

So does that mean that all the scientific facts we now know were all bullshit until they were proven?