Spirituality, Religion, it's all bullshit....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Sin

Sarettah, I am not going to spend hours trying to give definitions to things you don't believe in to start with. I'm not here to change your mind, you don't want to believe in the spirit or souls, that's fine with me. I do, & that's fine with me too.

I have not said anything in this thread as to what I believe or do not believe, if you found that in here, you (or some other commenter) put it here (and yes I will go back through and make sure of that).

I honestly cannot discuss spirtuality or the presence/absence of souls with someone without defining the terms first. It seems that each individual has decided that they have the right to assign whatever meanings they want to words. So, since I know what I mean when I say "spirituality" and "soul", I do not necessarilly know anything about what you mean when you use those words.

If it would take you hours to define, then you probably don't know what you mean either

[Sin]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I have not said anything in this thread as to what I believe or do not believe, if you found that in here, you (or some other commenter) put it here (and yes I will go back through and make sure of that).

In regards to that, see first post in this thread.

Originally Posted by sarettah

Sorry bout that, but it is.

We are no different than anything else in nature.

We are born and we die.

Beginning of it and end of it. Period.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Sin

In regards to that, see first post in this thread.

Again, where do you get my beliefs from in there.

I stated facts not beliefs.

[Sin]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Again, where do you get my beliefs from in there.

I stated facts not beliefs.

You stated beliefs.
You can neither disprove the presence of a spirit or soul anymore than I can prove it. It boils down to what we as individuals, choose to believe or disbelieve.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Sin

You stated beliefs.
You can neither disprove the presence of a spirit or soul anymore than I can prove it. It boils down to what we as individuals, choose to believe or disbelieve.

When someone in a laboratory setting can prove spirit or soul it will stop being bullshit, until then, all empirical evidence ppoints to the non existence of such, so it is bullshit.

As far as beliefs go. each person always has their own beliefs, often going in direct contradiction to established fact.

My daughter believes (for some reason) that if she ignores her credit card bills that they will somehow go away and not haunt her (lol...she even told me on one "oh, they'll just write it off"..I had to explain to her the implications of that)

Often people believe in God and spirits, etc because of personal proof (more often they believe it because the same person who told them about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny told them to believe it). That personal proof is often a "one time occurence" so it cannot be proven in any manner but the person will believe it wholeheartedly because they witnessed it and that is all the proof they need.

Facts just are.

[sarettah]

By the way. The way things work in the scientific world is that the burden of proof is on the claimant, as in those that claim something IS have to prove it IS, not the other way around. No matter how you try to flip flop it.

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by sarettah

By the way. The way things work in the scientific world is that the burden of proof is on the claimant, as in those that claim something IS have to prove it IS, not the other way around. No matter how you try to flip flop it.

You got it backwards

Einsteins theory of relativity has not yet been proven. Neither has Darwin, nor Big Bang, Nor anything about the dinosaurs.

Science starts with a hypothisis, and all actions taken are to DISPROVE the hypothisis. When disproval can not be found it is generally accepted as fact.

Relativity can not be proven until we see an object traveling the speed of light squared.

Same reason that the science world for decades said we evolved from monkeys, when more recent evidence points to our simply being a different branch of the evolutionary tree.

When I was a child Dinoraurs were reptiles, TRex stood straght up, and was the strongest hunter that walked the planet.

Recent evidence says birds, standing would break its spine, and it was a huge vulture.

[Red]

Originally Posted by sarettah

When someone in a laboratory setting can prove spirit or soul it will stop being bullshit, until then, all empirical evidence ppoints to the non existence of such, so it is bullshit.

So does that mean that all the scientific facts we now know were all bullshit until they were proven?

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I have not said anything in this thread as to what I believe or do not believe, if you found that in here, you (or some other commenter) put it here (and yes I will go back through and make sure of that).

Check thread title....

[Sin]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Check thread title....

lol That too

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Check thread title....

I believe the yuts use the term..OWNED!!!!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I believe the yuts use the term..OWNED!!!!

Hi Yut

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Check thread title....

Response one:
The thread title is based in fact, not belief


Secondary response:
If my thread titles are taken as my beliefs then you guys have a really warped picture of me...lololol...

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Response one:
The thread title is based in fact, not belief


Secondary response:
If my thread titles are taken as my beliefs then you guys have a really warped picture of me...lololol...

Oh, for fuck's sake, sarettah...enough already!! My chain is curled up and safely put away and no longer available for the yank session you've got going.

"Thread title is based in fact, not belief"

Yeah, baby, sell those facts...pass that collection plate...sell those bibbles....

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Oh, for fuck's sake, sarettah...enough already!! My chain is curled up and safely put away and no longer available for the yank session you've got going.

"Thread title is based in fact, not belief"

Yeah, baby, sell those facts...pass that collection plate...sell those bibbles....

Crikey! Morgan misspelt bibles? Sare, stop stressing the girl!

Morgan, this what you were looking for?

Abu Ben Adam (may his tribe increase)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace
And saw, within the moonlight of his room
Making it rich, like a lily in bloom
An angel writing in a book of gold.

Exceeding peace had made Abu Ben Adam bold
And to the presence in his room he said
'What writest thou?'
The vision raised its head
And with a look of all sweet accord
Answered: 'The names of those who love the Lord.

'And is mine one?' said Abu.
'Nay not so'
Replied the Angel:
Abu spoke more low But cheerily still and said
'I pray thee then
Write me as one that loves his fellow-men'
The angel wrote and vanished.

The next night It came again with awaking light
And showed the names of whom love of God had blessed.
And lo! Ben Adam's name led all the rest.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Crikey! Morgan misspelt bibles? Sare, stop stressing the girl!

Morgan, this what you were looking for?

Abu Ben Adam (may his tribe increase)
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace
And saw, within the moonlight of his room
Making it rich, like a lily in bloom
An angel writing in a book of gold.

Exceeding peace had made Abu Ben Adam bold
And to the presence in his room he said
'What writest thou?'
The vision raised its head
And with a look of all sweet accord
Answered: 'The names of those who love the Lord.

'And is mine one?' said Abu.
'Nay not so'
Replied the Angel:
Abu spoke more low But cheerily still and said
'I pray thee then
Write me as one that loves his fellow-men'
The angel wrote and vanished.

The next night It came again with awaking light
And showed the names of whom love of God had blessed.
And lo! Ben Adam's name led all the rest.

That's IT! Thank you, Lisa! That one poem helped such an understanding settle on the mind of this confused Catholic brain-washed child.

(And no, I didn't misspell "Bibles." I deliberately wrote "bibbles.")

Now, I have to go pay up in points!

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

(And no, I didn't misspell "Bibles." I deliberately wrote "bibbles.")

Yeah yeah.

I bet when no one's looking you say "aminals" and "ghaspetti".