Spirituality, Religion, it's all bullshit....

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You can cause damage without being aware you are causing damage.

You can become damaged without being aware that you are damaged.


"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" Sir Isaac Newton circa a whole long time ago

So you're applying a law of force to decision making... mkay then

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

So you're applying a law of force to decision making... mkay then

Is a decision an "action" ?

If you make a decision (any decision) are there consequences ?

If you fail to make a decision (which is by default making a decision) are there consequences ?

Yes, the laws of motion can be applied to decisions.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Is a decision an "action" ?

If you make a decision (any decision) are there consequences ?

If you fail to make a decision (which is by default making a decision) are there consequences ?

Yes, the laws of motion can be applied to decisions.

A decision is not an action.

Deciding I need coffee from the store does not get the coffee here.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

A decision is not an action.

Deciding I need coffee from the store does not get the coffee here.

The logical conclusion of the decision "I need coffee from the store" is to somehow put your body/mind/whatever into motion to obtain the coffee from the store, not getting the coffee.

If you do not decide that you need coffee then the logical conclusion is that you will not get into motion to obtain the coffee and if in fact there was no coffee in your pantry then you would end up out of coffee.

So, in fact each decision is an action and each action produces a reaction.

action: decision - I need coffee from the store.
reaction: body/mind goes into motion to obtain coffee.

action: decision - I will use the car to go to the store to get the coffee.
reaction - grab car keys and head for the door.

etc etc so on so forth ad infinitum....

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by sarettah

action: decision - I need coffee from the store.
reaction: body/mind goes into motion to obtain coffee.

action: decision - I will use the car to go to the store to get the coffee.
reaction - grab car keys and head for the door.

etc etc so on so forth ad infinitum....

Nope your reactions are the actions in these statements

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Nope your reactions are the actions in these statements

Au contraire, the decision was the action. To make the decisions all sorts of electrons flowed across synapses to form the thoughts. That is the action. The reaction to the thought process is taking the step that the decision calls for.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Au contraire, the decision was the action. To make the decisions all sorts of electrons flowed across synapses to form the thoughts. That is the action. The reaction to the thought process is taking the step that the decision calls for.

You really are an argumentative old shit aren't you.

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Au contraire, the decision was the action. To make the decisions all sorts of electrons flowed across synapses to form the thoughts. That is the action. The reaction to the thought process is taking the step that the decision calls for.

By this statement the decision must be the reaction of the electrons flowing.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by sarettah

The logical conclusion of the decision "I need coffee from the store" is to somehow put your body/mind/whatever into motion to obtain the coffee from the store, not getting the coffee.

If you do not decide that you need coffee then the logical conclusion is that you will not get into motion to obtain the coffee and if in fact there was no coffee in your pantry then you would end up out of coffee.

So, in fact each decision is an action and each action produces a reaction.

action: decision - I need coffee from the store.
reaction: body/mind goes into motion to obtain coffee.

action: decision - I will use the car to go to the store to get the coffee.
reaction - grab car keys and head for the door.

etc etc so on so forth ad infinitum....

A decision is a mental process (I need coffee).

An action is a physical process (I go get coffee).

The decision has no impact UNLESS you take action.

If a decision was an action, I would have lost 75 pounds and no longer consume tobacco products.

I have made the decision that I need to loose weight many times. I have made the decision that I need to quit smoking many times.

My failure to take subsequent actions to effect those changes does not negate the decision.

The decision that you need coffee has an impact on no one.

The action of going to get coffee can impact many people. If, for example, you run over a cop in a crosswalk the impact of your actions (leaving the house, starting the car, blah blah blah) will ripple around you.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

A decision is a mental process (I need coffee).

An action is a physical process (I go get coffee).

The decision has no impact UNLESS you take action.

If a decision was an action, I would have lost 75 pounds and no longer consume tobacco products.

I have made the decision that I need to loose weight many times. I have made the decision that I need to quit smoking many times.

My failure to take subsequent actions to effect those changes does not negate the decision.

The decision that you need coffee has an impact on no one.

The action of going to get coffee can impact many people. If, for example, you run over a cop in a crosswalk the impact of your actions (leaving the house, starting the car, blah blah blah) will ripple around you.

*writer tip toeing into the fray*
You all have excellent points, but I believe I'm siding with sarettah on this one. Why? I put the reasons in bold. The verb you used. You "made" a decision. An action. You even referred to the actual dieting as "subsequent actions." Not *the* action, another action. There is quite a point to actions being only in the physical world, but I think it's too narrow a definition.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

*writer tip toeing into the fray*
You all have excellent points, but I believe I'm siding with sarettah on this one. Why? I put the reasons in bold. The verb you used. You "made" a decision. An action. You even referred to the actual dieting as "subsequent actions." Not *the* action, another action. There is quite a point to actions being only in the physical world, but I think it's too narrow a definition.

You did a good job of identifying the crux of the problem: "There is quite a point to actions being only in the physical world, but I think it's too narrow a definition."

I think the distinction between mental and physical is of the utmost importance.

Deciding I need to lose weight is a mental process. Medically, I have a doctor who tells me that every time I see him, so the decision is based on scientific fact.

I accept the suggestion of the doctor. It is true that I need to lose weight.

It is very true that the logical next step is to take subsequent actions to accomplish that.

But I'm a human being. What is logical is not always what I will do.

Thus, the decision means nothing without action.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

A decision is a mental process (I need coffee).

An action is a physical process (I go get coffee).

The decision has no impact UNLESS you take action.

If a decision was an action, I would have lost 75 pounds and no longer consume tobacco products.

I have made the decision that I need to loose weight many times. I have made the decision that I need to quit smoking many times.

My failure to take subsequent actions to effect those changes does not negate the decision.

The decision that you need coffee has an impact on no one.

The action of going to get coffee can impact many people. If, for example, you run over a cop in a crosswalk the impact of your actions (leaving the house, starting the car, blah blah blah) will ripple around you.

You may have decided that you need to lose weight which would be one of the first actions taken in the process. You subsequently decided, for whatever reason, not to take the additional action necessary to lose the weight. However, if you never decided that you need to lose the weigth, then you wouldn't lose it unless of course as the result of some other action such as a virus infection where you don't eat.

The decision itself is an action as much as anything else we do.

While we are alive we are in constant motion, we are incapable of NOT taking action every nanosecond that we live and breath.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Is a decision an "action" ?

If you make a decision (any decision) are there consequences ?

If you fail to make a decision (which is by default making a decision) are there consequences ?

Yes, the laws of motion can be applied to decisions.

No they can't, the laws of force and motion are just that - the laws of force and motion.

You're statements answer themselves:

If you make a decision (any decision) are there consequences?

If you fail to make a decision (which is by default making a decision) are there consequences?

Decisions and actions have consequence... they aren't equal or opposite though.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

No they can't, the laws of force and motion are just that - the laws of force and motion.

You're statements answer themselves:

If you make a decision (any decision) are there consequences?

If you fail to make a decision (which is by default making a decision) are there consequences?

Decisions and actions have consequence... they aren't equal or opposite though.

A consequence is merely the result of an action or a reaction. The presence of a consequence affirms the presence of the action.

And they are opposite and equal

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

A consequence is merely the result of an action or a reaction. The presence of a consequence affirms the presence of the action.

And they are opposite and equal

So by that thinking it must be true that for every person that decides you're a mental cocksucker, there is a person the decides you're a sane pussy licker... Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

So by that thinking it must be true that for every person that decides you're a mental cocksucker, there is a person the decides you're a sane pussy licker... Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

Equals and opposites are not always easy to discern.

If we accept that the exact opposite of a "mental cocksucker" is a "sane pussylicker" then yes your statement would stand as sound. But since the opposite and equal of a "mental cocksucker" could possibly be manifested many ways, while your logic may be sound your statement is not true.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Equals and opposites are not always easy to discern.

If we accept that the exact opposite of a "mental cocksucker" is a "sane pussylicker" then yes your statement would stand as sound. But since the opposite and equal of a "mental cocksucker" could possibly be manifested many ways, while your logic may be sound your statement is not true.

It's not my logic, it was my attempt at trying to understand yours.

Human actions are not bound by the laws of motion.