Spirituality, Religion, it's all bullshit....

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Once you have kids ,TE, you will believe there is an afterlife.Deperately and passionately.

Let's hope it's not like in the bible because you and I are so not going to heaven

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Timon

Let's hope it's not like in the bible because you and I are so not going to heaven

Confess and have your sins forgiven

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Trev

Confess and have your sins forgiven

Ahhhhh.. I love talking about this topic!!


Let's take Timon who basically says he is SOOOO not going to heaven!! Or make it easier and someone who is in prison for murder and truly repents and confesses their sins.

Then lets take someone who is a good and pure person who lives their lives in accordance to every one of the commandments EXCEPT that they refuse to believe in God.


According to the bible the second person doesn't have a chance of getting into heaven even though they have lived a virtuous life and contributed to society. And it all boils down to that one little thing... not believing in God.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Ahhhhh.. I love talking about this topic!!


Let's take Timon who basically says he is SOOOO not going to heaven!! Or make it easier and someone who is in prison for murder and truly repents and confesses their sins.

Then lets take someone who is a good and pure person who lives their lives in accordance to every one of the commandments EXCEPT that they refuse to believe in God.


According to the bible the second person doesn't have a chance of getting into heaven even though they have lived a virtuous life and contributed to society. And it all boils down to that one little thing... not believing in God.

50 points to whomever can come up with the text to the poem that starts out "Abu Ben Adam, may his tribe increase."

I encountered it in high school. It covers this very topic and wonderfully. It helped form one of the bricks in my own personal theological foundation.

[sarettah]

Believeing in something, no matter how much solace it provides, does not make it true.

And I do not necessarilly prescribe to the notion that it is ok to believe what you want to believe.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Believeing in something, no matter how much solace it provides, does not make it true.

And I do not necessarilly prescribe to the notion that it is ok to believe what you want to believe.

Why not?

If you truly believe.....

The moon is green
Jennifer Aniston loves you
You have a huge dick and are the worlds greatest lover

And it hurts no one else, why the hell not believe it?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

And it hurts no one else

Aye, there's the rub.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Believeing in something, no matter how much solace it provides, does not make it true.

And I do not necessarilly prescribe to the notion that it is ok to believe what you want to believe.

Not believing in something doesn't mean it doesn't exist either so it seems like you DO prescribe to the notion that it's ok to believe what you want to believe

[MorganGrayson]

It's interesting to watch people debate topics that can't be proven either way.

The fervor of a "born again atheist" is as...interesting...as a "born again Christian."

I used "interesting" in lieu of "oh, for fuck's sake, don't you have anything to DO today?"

[DrGuile]

I agree with Sar on this one. Dust to freakin' dust...

Also, I applaud Sar for the courage to post his convictions.

You were nothing before you were born, why would you be anything after you are dead? Depressing? Maybe... but also very driving and puts things in perspective...


Make the most of your life, this isnt a dress-rehearsal for the next one.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

It's interesting to watch people debate topics that can't be proven either way.

The fervor of a "born again atheist" is as...interesting...as a "born again Christian."

I used "interesting" in lieu of "oh, for fuck's sake, don't you have anything to DO today?"

This topic is one of the most exhilirtating topics to talk about at ANY time IMHO. Maybe it's the Philosophy major in me but I can talk about theological and philosophical issues all day and every day!!

[Newton]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

This topic is one of the most exhilirtating topics to talk about at ANY time IMHO. Maybe it's the Philosophy major in me but I can talk about theological and philosophical issues all day and every day!!

What are your fundamental beliefs chap? Why are we here?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Newton

What are your fundamental beliefs chap? Why are we here?

I'm a big bang, evolution advocate, no afterlife atheist who hass a mixture of heavy doses of liberal and libertarian beliefs, with a bit of conservative ones thrown in as well, about life. As to the why we are here... it's because in the whole of the universe the billions upon billions of possibilities led us to where we are today and that it is quite arrogant to believe that in the vastness that is space we are the only ones in it with intelligence.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Believeing in something, no matter how much solace it provides, does not make it true.

And I do not necessarilly prescribe to the notion that it is ok to believe what you want to believe.

See, now here is where you and I disagree. I think it is perfectly ok to believe in what you want to believe. I may not believe but I would never force that belief on others. I will happily dicuss/debate the issue if it is brought up by somebody but I won't actively go out and try and change their minds about the issue unless it's a topic they wish to actively debate/discuss. Even then it is more about stating my opinion rather than trying to change their mind. It's none of my damn business. Who am I to try and take away someones belief that they hold dear and helps them through the course of their life? Especially when the issue is one that basically can't be settled until one dies.

My wife and I used to discuss this issue constaantly as she believes in God stronger than anybody I have ever known. We both enjoyed, and actually still talk about the issue, talking about it quite a bit but I never actively tried to change her mind on the issue because it isn't my place to do so. I respect her greatly for her belief because I know of no one who tries to live up to that belief every day of their life more than she does.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I may not believe but I would never force that belief on others.

Bullshit. You force your beliefs on the world around you in every decision you make.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Bullshit. You force your beliefs on the world around you in every decision you make.

And as for you!!!!

You are happy enough , you old git...just mischievious LOL

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Bullshit. You force your beliefs on the world around you in every decision you make.

That's garbage, I've just decided to make a pot of coffee, the rest of the world was unaware until just now...

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Trev

That's garbage, I've just decided to make a pot of coffee, the rest of the world was unaware until just now...

Yep. I was totally unaware of Trev's coffee making.
Unless, of course, his desire to make a pot of coffee was triggered by *my* making a pot of coffee a bit ago.

I wonder what else I can make Trev do?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

That's garbage, I've just decided to make a pot of coffee, the rest of the world was unaware until just now...

You can cause damage without being aware you are causing damage.

You can become damaged without being aware that you are damaged.


"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" Sir Isaac Newton circa a whole long time ago

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You can cause damage without being aware you are causing damage.

You can become damaged without being aware that you are damaged.


"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" Sir Isaac Newton circa a whole long time ago

So you're applying a law of force to decision making... mkay then

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

That's garbage, I've just decided to make a pot of coffee, the rest of the world was unaware until just now...

Secondary Response:

What did the coffee think about that ?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Secondary Response:

What did the coffee think about that ?

The coffee was a little upset at the lack of a press release announcing it's pending arrival.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Bullshit. You force your beliefs on the world around you in every decision you make.

I'm talking about going out and actively trying to chnage minds and trying to convert everyone to my atheistic beliefs. It's really quite simple.