Create your own South Park Character

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Seems to be the only thing Timon understands. Limited minds work that way. It saddens me to have to go so far down to his level. But since I have no handy photo of me standing next to a black woman already scanned ...

On a serious note...

I've chatted in icq with Timon over this at some length.

I'd say he is rather sensitive to the race thing.

But when you hear what he has had to put up with in his life , it is understandable.

A WASP like me literally cannot even imagine it....

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

On a serious note...

I've chatted in icq with Timon over this at some length.

I'd say he is rather sensitive to the race thing.

But when you hear what he has had to put up with in his life , it is understandable.

A WASP like me literally cannot even imagine it....

Well I can agree with that (though not being a WASP). And had I known it was a sore point, I'd have never gone there.

Funny thing, if he had not mentioned it recently, I would have forgotten he was black. And -- before I get in needless trouble for this -- it wouldn't have mattered. I do not try to "remember what color someone is", because really, it doesn't matter. I don't "see" color or "think" color. I "think and see" a person. Period.

Now I'm only mentioning it because I would have made the little cartoon guy the color white or biege or yellow (by not remembering) and then I would STILL have put all that goofy shit on him. Identical!!

Again, he made a silly, bad, foolish looking cartoon of me, and I was only getting Timon back. The color issue is what HE put onto it. No more, no less.



Oh and .... I'm Black Irish. That should count for something, no?

[MorganGrayson]

I think it was the L&O:SVU about the Neo-Nazis that caused my sweet, gentle, totally clueless husband to shake his head and say "how on earth can you work up that much hate for an entire group of people based simply on the color of their skin?"

The "what planet are YOU from?" was out of my mouth before I could stop it. Not my finest hour, admittedly. But, he truly doesn't get it. The young man that shares his office and has become like a son to him is black. He used to work in hotels and country clubs and his "kitchen Spanish" is excellent because in California a lot of the kitchen workers all have the same social security number. He's one of those wonderful people who goes through life forming opinions on a person-to-person basis, one of the major reasons I married the guy.

When we lived in Louisville, Kentucky, our car broke down and my husband had the hood up and was tinkering. I watched a young black man hesitate before offering to help. (His mother was right behind him and gave him a good poke in the ribs. One helped people in need, one didn't stand there and worry about getting shot for being the wrong color helper in her world.) But the look on this young man's face stayed with me. He offered help and soon he and my husband were having fun under the hood tinkering while I chatted with Mom. Louisville was an education in racisim, though. I got to see it in action. It was...horrifying is the only word that could come close to describing it.

Racism is alive and well and still just as ugly. Just watch the news. A "male suspect" is white. Nobody ever says "a white male suspect." But the race is *always* mentioned if the person is of color, any color. That isn't to help in the spotting of the suspect, either. It's to inflame the audience. If they wanted to help in the spotting, they'd save it for that little "description" screen they always show on the local news. (What the hell does "dark skinned" mean in a country like America? Italians have dark skin as far as I'm concerned.)

We're a "melting pot," we're a "stew," we're totally fucked. The freedoms afforded all of us allow some of us to have legally protected bigotry.

Dravyk...please calm yourself. Like I said previously, we don't get to decide when when someone else has the right to be offended. The offended person gets to decide that. I've known you for a very long time and would have bet my last nickel that you aren't now, nor have you ever been, a racist. But, as Timon said - quite fairly - he *hasn't* known you since 1997. (I'm paraphrasing there.)

He's really not either a racist or insensitive, Timon. What he is is a man who enjoys his sense of humor and playing with the South Park character maker. He made characters for a lot of people. Leaving you out would have been rude. He attempted to play off the running gag you have with voodooman by adding a dildo. (I didn't even know that was a dildo until you pointed it out, Drav.) The joke fell flat...just like a lot of mine have a regrettable tendency to do. I was recently on the receiving end of a one liner that caused the board to erupt. The poor individual who delivered the line had absolutely NO idea why everyone was upset...because he had intended it to be funny and gave it no further thought. Apology given, apology accepted, onward we all went back into the groove. (Note: an apology was given for hurt feelings accidentally caused because he is a gentleman, not because he "owed" me an apology. It is debatable whether or not apologies are "owed" for acts that are not deliberate. They're nice, though.)

When you put up the photo of you and your wife, I was happy because I do like to see the people to whom I speak. I saw a damned fine looking man. Yes, I noticed the difference between you and your wife. I thought to myself "ah, yes...big man, smaller woman." (I've known a lot of big. gentle bears - as in "teddy" - that have much smaller wives. I notice because I've always been too damned big to be swept up in a man's arms and carried up the stairs ala "Gone With the Wind" and have a wistful admiration for women who can be.)

You are all now returned to your previously scheduled programming....

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Dravyk...please calm yourself. Like I said previously, we don't get to decide when when someone else has the right to be offended. The offended person gets to decide that.

True enough. .... Which also means that when his remarks offend me, I similiar ly have the right to be offended.

Ashame, this is what happens with the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Arabs and the Israelis, etc and etc .... Until they fight so long they can't even remember who started it and what it was over -- and each side shoots back because the other side shot back last time.

Well I apologized for unintentionaly offending. Let's see if that is returned in kind as easily as shots are.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

True enough. .... Which also means that when his remarks offend me, I similiar ly have the right to be offended.

Ashame, this is what happens with the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Arabs and the Israelis, etc and etc .... Until they fight so long they can't even remember who started it and what it was over -- and each side shoots back because the other side shot back last time.

Well I apologized for unintentionaly offending. Let's see if that is returned in kind as easily as shots are.

Brilliant!!!!

You have managed to twist it to being the black man's fault again!!!

Its now Timon's fault he is easily hurt by the callous racist uncaring remarks of his colleagues?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Brilliant!!!!

You have managed to twist it to being the black man's fault again!!!

Its now Timon's fault he is easily hurt by the callous racist uncaring remarks of his colleagues?

I'm not sure if it's because I'm dumber than the rest of you or the fact that I'm not posting and over analysing my remarks but I'm seeing where you're coming from now.


It's getting way out of hand

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Brilliant!!!!

You have managed to twist it to being the black man's fault again!!!

Its now Timon's fault he is easily hurt by the callous racist uncaring remarks of his colleagues?

Oh fuck you!

I don't like being called a racist. Sorry if you're offended that I'm offended.



... This is long past the point of being ridiculous. This is becoming a goddamned Felini movie.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Oh fuck you!

I don't like being called a racist. Sorry if you're offended that I'm offended.



... This is long past the point of being ridiculous. This is becoming a goddamned Felini movie.

so you are offended when a black man informs you , you have hurt his feelings?


Don't try to anaesthetise his obvious pain with the placebo of "my ex-girlfriend was black".

And compound it by twisting the knife into him with insults and argument turning it all into his fault.

Shame on you dravyk!!!

[sarettah]

This entire thread is so completely hilarious and so completely evil on so many levels

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

True enough. .... Which also means that when his remarks offend me, I similiar ly have the right to be offended.

Ashame, this is what happens with the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Arabs and the Israelis, etc and etc .... Until they fight so long they can't even remember who started it and what it was over -- and each side shoots back because the other side shot back last time.

Well I apologized for unintentionaly offending. Let's see if that is returned in kind as easily as shots are.

Hmmm....
All right, points to you on the first line, Dravyk. I do admit that being called a racist when one is not will offend. I don't want to get into assigning ranks as to "my hurt feelings are better than your hurt feelings."

I think there's so much noise in this thread that your apology runs the chance of getting lost, though.