Does loyalty count ?

[NickPapageorgio]

I voted #3. Regardless of friendships, loyalty, years with a company or in a partnership, promises made...what the fuck ever...it always comes down to one thing.


Will my kids be able to eat well next week, next month, next year...

I'm loyal...but money talks. I don't know many who it doesn't speak to...

[Dravyk]

Loyalty, while desired, is a double-edged sword. It's an emotional experience. Therefore someone can feel that while they were loyal, that the other entity (person, company, whatever) may have been disloyal, even if they weren't.

That is, because it's very emotional positively, it can at times have a small nothing thing happen, and then it flips to a negative emotion, where someone might think they were betrayed when they weren't.

Again, it's complex, and it isn't always based on reason ... It's great when it's positive. When something causes it to flip, even misperception, then people feel needlessly hurt and it can become much ado about nothing.

Hmm. I might be rambling, as this is not easy to communicate, so I better stop.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Loyalty, while desired, is a double-edged sword. It's an emotional experience. Therefore someone can feel that while they were loyal, that the other entity (person, company, whatever) may have been disloyal, even if they weren't.

That is, because it's very emotional positively, it can at times have a small nothing thing happen, and then it flips to a negative emotion, where someone might think they were betrayed when they weren't.

Again, it's complex, and it isn't always based on reason ... It's great when it's positive. When something causes it to flip, even misperception, then people feel needlessly hurt and it can become much ado about nothing.

Hmm. I might be rambling, as this is not easy to communicate, so I better stop.

Can you rephrase that? You lost me in the first sentence

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Timon

Can you rephrase that? You lost me in the first sentence

Er ... there's a thin line between love and hate.

[MorganGrayson]

I understood it, Dravyk. `

NickP... ...You're right. You add "children" to the mix, and that's where the first and ultimate loyalty lies. When "will my kids eat, have medical care, live indoors..." goes up against "loyalty to a company" the company (and just about anything else for that matter) loses.

We haven't even gotten to "define 'loyalty'" yet.

[NickPapageorgio]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I understood it, Dravyk. `

NickP... ...You're right. You add "children" to the mix, and that's where the first and ultimate loyalty lies. When "will my kids eat, have medical care, live indoors..." goes up against "loyalty to a company" the company (and just about anything else for that matter) loses.

We haven't even gotten to "define 'loyalty'" yet.

Well...to me...that's what it really is all about. I trust one person in this world, my wife. I can be "trusting" of others, but from my experience, I have never been able to "trust" someone. Trust breeds loyalty. I am loyal to 3 people. My wife, my son and my daughter.

Ofcourse, my loyalty can always be purchased for a nominal fee, but as soon as you turn off the ATM i'll be seeking someone else to bestow my loyalty upon. That's just the way it works. No hard feelings. Nothing personal. Strictly business.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Well...to me...that's what it really is all about. I trust one person in this world, my wife. I can be "trusting" of others, but from my experience, I have never been able to "trust" someone. Trust breeds loyalty. I am loyal to 3 people. My wife, my son and my daughter.

Ofcourse, my loyalty can always be purchased for a nominal fee, but as soon as you turn off the ATM i'll be seeking someone else to bestow my loyalty upon. That's just the way it works. No hard feelings. Nothing personal. Strictly business.

Thumbs up for great word usage and I'll give you points in a minute.
I like the distinction. "Trust" and being "trusting." My husband has my ultimate trust and ultimate loyalty. Any "business" I do all comes down to "how will this effect my husband?" I work so that my husband will get fewer creases in his forehead the 15th of the month when he sits down with the bills. The car needed to go to the car doctor, which caused a forehead crease momentarily...but the sponsor check that had arrived the day before took it away. I have great "loyalty" to this particular sponsor, because it increases the quality of my husband's life. But, let's be honest. They bought my loyalty. (They earned my trust, but that's another matter, having to do with the quality of their affiliate rep.)

So many people have used the phrase "nothing personal, just business" to justify their behavior that the phrase has become tainted to some. If you run it through a mental detox, it regains its true meaning. Business is a part of your life, not your entire life. Business is about professionalism.