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[Dravyk]

Ryan, it's always been the big difference that words and stories of such things, are at least imaginary ... might be repugnant to some (and obviously attractive to others) but whatever happens it is indeed "just a story" ... and of course pics or movies are actions.

Sorta the difference between thinking and talking about something and actually doing it. As such, aledgedly, words and thoughts are supposed to be more "protected". So on the one side, it opens up the possibilities of all the evils of the world in the extreme; on the other side and other extreme, slamming such things becomes the thought police, the Gestapo, 1984 ...

[RyanLanane]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Ryan, it's always been the big difference that words and stories of such things, are at least imaginary ... might be repugnant to some (and obviously attractive to others) but whatever happens it is indeed "just a story" ... and of course pics or movies are actions.

Sorta the difference between thinking and talking about something and actually doing it. As such, aledgedly, words and thoughts are supposed to be more "protected". So on the one side, it opens up the possibilities of all the evils of the world in the extreme; on the other side and other extreme, slamming such things becomes the thought police, the Gestapo, 1984 ...

In my eyes just as bad, protected or not.. But you are right as far as to how we think of it, as Americans. Words tend to appeal more to women whereas pictures appeal to men - but when you get into the world of perversions people this sort of material would appeal to ... about anything on the subject matter does it for them. It's an area I personally wouldn't mind losing my first amendment rights in.

[sarettah]

There is nothing that is so bad, so dangerous, so patently offensive,
that it cannot be talked about.

[Red]

Originally Posted by sarettah

There is nothing that is so bad, so dangerous, so patently offensive,
that it cannot be talked about.

that depends on the way you talk about it. Remember, only non-obscene material is protected under the first amendment. Obscenity is determined by the "miller test"

"(a) whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."



Erotic writing is usually defended under item c

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Red

that depends on the way you talk about it. Remember, only non-obscene material is protected under the first amendment. Obscenity is determined by the "miller test"

"(a) whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."



Erotic writing is usually defended under item c

It is obvious that 'obscenity' is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the Courts, it means 'anything that shocks the magistrate.'
Bertrand Russell

"Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there." Clare Booth LUCE

We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
John F. KENNEDY

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

It's an area I personally wouldn't mind losing my first amendment rights in.

Then you sir, are a fool. (imho of course)







They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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