If you have children, read this thread

[Bhelliom]

wow that was way off topic... sorry bout that... just see parents that are bloody scared of their kids... and don't want to offend them.... tough.... this would be about the kids protection not making them happy....

but I do think alternates would be good.... an eight year old boy may not be kidnapped... but he may also get beat up at school for wearing a bracelet...

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Bhelliom

wow that was way off topic... sorry bout that... just see parents that are bloody scared of their kids... and don't want to offend them.... tough.... this would be about the kids protection not making them happy....

but I do think alternates would be good.... an eight year old boy may not be kidnapped... but he may also get beat up at school for wearing a bracelet...

Its not really off topic, I understand what your saying, kids are out of control these days.

As for boys wearing bracelets, it looks more like a watch than anything and when we get the skins made for them, they will hip.

[Bhelliom]

seconded

[wig]

VM,

Go with monthly recurring... you will get more ppl who will avoid the annual price and you will make more money over time.

Any idea what the going rate may be? I saw you said around $100 for the one-time item cost. How about the ongoing subscription rate?

Oh, we'll be happy to provide the ACH processing. ;-)))

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by wig

VM,

Go with monthly recurring... you will get more ppl who will avoid the annual price and you will make more money over time.

Any idea what the going rate may be? I saw you said around $100 for the one-time item cost. How about the ongoing subscription rate?

Oh, we'll be happy to provide the ACH processing. ;-)))

Wow, Wig, nice to hear from you.
The device its self is estimated to cost the end user $100.00 but not sure yet. As for monthly recurring, This is a guesstimate, but if you choose 40 locates a month it will be around $20.00/month. 60 locates for 30 and 80 for 40.00/month with a small fee if you go over the number of locates in a month so it will be a monthly recurring plan.
When we get setup, I will be in contact with you.

[wig]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Wow, Wig, nice to hear from you.
The device its self is estimated to cost the end user $100.00 but not sure yet. As for monthly recurring, This is a guesstimate, but if you choose 40 locates a month it will be around $20.00/month. 60 locates for 30 and 80 for 40.00/month with a small fee if you go over the number of locates in a month so it will be a monthly recurring plan.
When we get setup, I will be in contact with you.

that's a cool model. good luck with it. looks like it has a lot of potential.

[pushpills]

"steve, my new diamond earrings keep beeping"

"hmm, battery must be low"

[Anthony]

How can I invest?

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Anthony

How can I invest?

Will let you know in 2 weeks.

[selena]

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by selena

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

Or it can be a deterrant.

[voodooman]

sare,
I didn't forget you, Im just trying to figure a way to make the jewlery thing work.
Even being 7mm, thats a bit big for earrings. They do make smaller chips, but they are BIG $$$.

Ill email you.

[selena]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Or it can be a deterrant.

I agree it would be a pre-grab deterrant if the kidnapper saw it prior to the snatch.

I was just thinking of them knowing what the device was, and not seeing it on the child until after they already had snatched them.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by selena

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

Selena,
As I read your comments, I tend to agree with you, but NOTHING is going to be 100% effective, well, unless you stay with your kids 100% of the time.
The other device on the market has 3 buttons you can push with different functions, one being if you hold down the outter 2 buttons for 3 seconds it will dial 911 automatically.
That sounds like a great idea, with the exception that your going to have kids doing it just to screw around and false 911 calls will escalate tremendously and it won't work in rural areas.

[selena]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Selena,
As I read your comments, I tend to agree with you, but NOTHING is going to be 100% effective, well, unless you stay with your kids 100% of the time.
The other device on the market has 3 buttons you can push with different functions, one being if you hold down the outter 2 buttons for 3 seconds it will dial 911 automatically.
That sounds like a great idea, with the exception that your going to have kids doing it just to screw around and false 911 calls will escalate tremendously and it won't work in rural areas.

Oh, I think it is a great idea. I hope that didn't get lost in the shuffle of what else I had to say. I just think the less obvious the device is the better.

I'd sign up to promo it mainstream, if there were an affiliate program. Not to mention would consider it for the munchkin.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by selena

Oh, I think it is a great idea. I hope that didn't get lost in the shuffle of what else I had to say. I just think the less obvious the device is the better.

I'd sign up to promo it mainstream, if there were an affiliate program. Not to mention would consider it for the munchkin.

Im here to accept, listen, and reply to any comments. I appreciate any and all comments, good, bad or ugly.

[voodooman]

BTW, if all goes well, the device will be FREE with a service contract.

[sextoyking]

If it was me Voodo I wouldn't use the "holloway" name.... Sure there is Amber alert, etc but I would do my own name, etc and mabey you could get someone like her or someone with a CLOSED case for promo, but even then a bit tacky.

I'm all for any kind of marketing but in her case the matter isn't even over, nor has the girl or her body been found...

Also, I would stay away from "big brother" if it was me.... there is bad stigmas / associations to that term??

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

If it was me Voodo I wouldn't use the "holloway" name.... Sure there is Amber alert, etc but I would do my own name, etc and mabey you could get someone like her or someone with a CLOSED case for promo, but even then a bit tacky.

I'm all for any kind of marketing but in her case the matter isn't even over, nor has the girl or her body been found...

Also, I would stay away from "big brother" if it was me.... there is bad stigmas / associations to that term??

Big Brother is gone.

As for the name, We have several names for the device of our own, but still going to wait and see what Beth says. As for the name, I was thinking of a one that people would associate child safety with more than the tact of it.

[Peaches]

Could also be a market for following around husbands: "Here dear, I bought you a new watch!"

[voodooman]

Sarettah,

I just recieved a comment from a lady, here is what it said. You might have
been on to something.

Kirk and Eric,

I am excited about your bracelet. My mother in law has Alzheimers disease and as the disease progresses, patients tend to wander out of their homes and they get lost. She is now in a home so she would probably not need one anymore, but I can see that this device may have kept her in her own home a little longer. I wonder if you could make a model that resembles a piece of jewelry such as a watch or gold bracelet. She wears a watch all the time, so it would not be an unusual change for her.

Good luck in your new business venture!

Carol

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Sarettah,

I just recieved a comment from a lady, here is what it said. You might have
been on to something.

Of course........ http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=sarettah&type=1

Googlism for: sarettah

sarettah is absolutely right

[MorganGrayson]

voodooman...the more I think about this idea, the better it gets in my mind.

I do have a "marketing" suggestion, though. With small children, it's "put this on because I said so." Older kids, like teenagers, will open a dialogue, and it will go the way all of those dialogues go. "You don't trust me." *sigh* Been there, done that. "*You,* I trust. It's the other idiots out in the world I don't trust...and frankly, kid, you only have to be wrong *once* and it's game over." I'm still dealing with it. Every time my kids drive down to vist me, my heart's in my throat until they pull into the drive way. I get "she's/I'm a good driver, Mom." I *know* that. I'm worried about the million or so other asshole Californians out there.

You might want to consider offering a plan that has *no* checks on it at all. In other words, this bracelet can not be used for "spying on me!" The parents pay for a "one check" only, for when the child is "missing." (Breaks curfew, whatever.) Once that is used, they have to pay again to activate the feature. I realize this is lumpy and doesn't take into consideration rebills, but it's just the shell of an idea, something to assist parents in getting the thing on teenagers who jump immediately to the "spying on me, you don't trust me, yadda yadda" thing.

Another thing you might consider - and this is very, very delicate because it can be taken the wrong way - is getting in with some of the Missing Children people and dedicating part of your site to the stats and photographs of missing kids. You're not profiting from these tragedies, although the accusation can and will be made by somebody, you're trying to prevent the list from getting any longer.

Some opinions from law enforcement officials would be good, too.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

voodooman...the more I think about this idea, the better it gets in my mind.

I do have a "marketing" suggestion, though. With small children, it's "put this on because I said so." Older kids, like teenagers, will open a dialogue, and it will go the way all of those dialogues go. "You don't trust me." *sigh* Been there, done that. "*You,* I trust. It's the other idiots out in the world I don't trust...and frankly, kid, you only have to be wrong *once* and it's game over." I'm still dealing with it. Every time my kids drive down to vist me, my heart's in my throat until they pull into the drive way. I get "she's/I'm a good driver, Mom." I *know* that. I'm worried about the million or so other asshole Californians out there.

You might want to consider offering a plan that has *no* checks on it at all. In other words, this bracelet can not be used for "spying on me!" The parents pay for a "one check" only, for when the child is "missing." (Breaks curfew, whatever.) Once that is used, they have to pay again to activate the feature. I realize this is lumpy and doesn't take into consideration rebills, but it's just the shell of an idea, something to assist parents in getting the thing on teenagers who jump immediately to the "spying on me, you don't trust me, yadda yadda" thing.

Another thing you might consider - and this is very, very delicate because it can be taken the wrong way - is getting in with some of the Missing Children people and dedicating part of your site to the stats and photographs of missing kids. You're not profiting from these tragedies, although the accusation can and will be made by somebody, you're trying to prevent the list from getting any longer.

Some opinions from law enforcement officials would be good, too.

Morgan,
I really appreciate your input, I have plenty of opinions already from Law Enforcement, being in Law Enforcement, that was the easy task.
As I mentioned before, although the money made off of this is going to be much greater than I ever imagined, Im still doing this to HELP prevent the unthinkable, and when it works just one time, that will be reward enough for me. Along those same lines, I think having the one time access would be easy to do as well.
As for the site for missing and exploited children? They left a really bad taste in my mouth. I have called them two times, the first time to ask if they would be interested in our company to which the lady replied, I will have someone call you back. They never called so I phoned them again, I told the lady that nobody ever called me back and she said, "sorry, we are far to busy to deal with anything like that". That was about a month ago so....
Just didnt sit well with me at all. Not to say I wont give up on them totally, but for now I have.