who do you hold responsible?

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Harder to do with the looters.

You do not need to kill people who are looting - you just need put them out of play by arresting them - pretty hard to continuing looting, when you are sitting in jail/camp (or whatever they are going to use).

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by Rolo

You do not need to kill people who are looting - you just need put them out of play by arresting them - pretty hard to continuing looting, when you are sitting in jail/camp (or whatever they are going to use).

Rolo the jails are all flooded and/or destroyed. They've been arresting people and there's nowhere to put them. Once you arrest them, then you have to worry about transporting them somewhere and finding a place to keep them - things that the lawful citizenry needs first.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Rolo the jails are all flooded and/or destroyed. They've been arresting people and there's nowhere to put them. Once you arrest them, then you have to worry about transporting them somewhere and finding a place to keep them - things that the lawful citizenry needs first.

You will be surprised what "hand restraints + barbed wire + armed soliders" can do to control people... You can setup outdoor camps on the asphalt. Civil rights have been removed from the area - no one are expected to have their "one phone call" and be brought before a judge - this is a disaster area.

Transportation should be no problem - boats can be used along with airlift - you do not need to transport inmates hundreds of miles by these means - simply to dry land, where they can be removed by trucks.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Rolo

You do not need to kill people who are looting - you just need put them out of play by arresting them - pretty hard to continuing looting, when you are sitting in jail/camp (or whatever they are going to use).

This is NOT a solution...NOPD released all criminals from local jails as it was impossible to keep them, due to the local conditions.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

This is NOT a solution...NOPD released all criminals from local jails as it was impossible to keep them, due to the local conditions.

Which shows that someone in command fucked up - letting criminals out in a disaster area is like mixing fuel with fire...

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Which shows that someone in command fucked up - letting criminals out in a disaster area is like mixing fuel with fire...

What were they supposed to do, leave them in their cells until they drowned?

Rolo hon I don't think you fully understand what's going on down there. There are entire prison populations sitting on highway off-ramps without food and water with nothing more than guards with guns to keep them under control.
There isn't much "dry land" to put these guys on. There certainly aren't many cops around to babysit them - the cops who aren't looting themselves are busy trying to save people from drowning and stopping the looting.

Go to http://news.yahoo.com and look at the pictures. They'll help you understand. If the only pics you're seeing are those from Buff's blog, you're not getting the full picture. It's dry where Buff is at - it's NOT dry in the rest of the city.

Also if you go to http://www.cnn.com there's a link to Mayor Nagin's radio interview this morning where he's cussing up a storm and telling it like it is.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Carrie

What were they supposed to do, leave them in their cells until they drowned?

Put them up on a long line - tie them with rope (bed sheets etc.), and walk until you are safe from the water. Then have someone drop you supplies, or move them to safe/dry land. Ofcourse when evacuation is not working, then it will mean harsh conditions in the heat, but you can survive days without food/water, if you conserve your energy.

Maybe its my european background, but keeping prisoners under control during a long march by foot is not a frightening situation. Again when you got people under control, then they can not cause problems to other people fighting for their own life. And where is the logic in realeasing criminals, who have no resources to take care of themself, in an area where there is no order? If they had lions at the zoo would they also release them into the public?

[Carrie]

This is futile.

Tell ya what, Rolo. Call up Mayor Ray Nagin and explain to him how easy this is. Give him all of your ideas. Here's the city's url with contact info: http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=1

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Carrie

This is futile.

Tell ya what, Rolo. Call up Mayor Ray Nagin and explain to him how easy this is. Give him all of your ideas. Here's the city's url with contact info: http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=1

I have no idea what Mayor Ray Nagin have had to work with, and yes it is easy for me to suggest other solutions in retrospect. I´m sure that he have done his best, however as it shows SOMETHING or SOMEONE messed up - no matter how good their intentions were it failed.

I hope I never find myself in a similar situation, but if I will, then I do know myself well enough to say that I would make it right, and not loose precious time allowing the chaos to spread.

[Vick]

Originally Posted by Carrie

What were they supposed to do, leave them in their cells until they drowned?

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Yes

Murders, rapists and the like should have been left to die

[melody]

The Republicans will all blame the Democrats and the Democrats will all blame the Republicans.

However, Louisiana and NO's command and control were in chaos. Bush was strumming a guitar and eating cake. He made the decisions which ultimately led to most of the problems - FEMA gutting, NO funding cuts, the National Guard being everywhere but where they are supposed to be. I'm sure the local officials shared in the stupidity, but Bush wins hands down in the final tally.

Maybe Bush could send his good friend Pat Robertson in to put some hits on people. You know, the Christian way.