Halting The Use Of Puppies And Kittens As Shark Bait

[sarettah]

Dead puppies,
Dead puppies,
Dead puppies aren't much fun.

They don't come when you call
they don't chase squirrels at all,
Dead puppies aren't much fun.

Dead puppies,
da da da Dead puppies,
da da da Dead puppies aren't much fun.

My puppy died late last fall,
e's still rotting in the hall.
Dead puppies aren't much fun, no no no.

Dead puppies,
da da da Dead puppies,
da da da Dead puppies aren't much fun.

Mom says puppies days are through
she's going to throw him in the stew,
dead puppies aren't much fun.

Dead puppies
Da da da dead puppies,
da da da dead puppies arent much fun.

Ok, everybody sing along.......

Da da da Dead puppies
Da da da dead puppies,
da da da dead puppies arent much fun.

Da da da Dead puppies
Da da da dead puppies,
da da da dead puppies arent much fun.

Da da da Dead puppies
Da da da dead puppies,
da da da dead puppies arent much fun.

Da da da Dead puppies
Da da da dead puppies,
da da da dead puppies arent much fun.


(not to make light of the whole thing...... )

[sarettah]

On a more serious note:

I understand that people get upset about cute little puppies and kittens being used for bait. But what is the difference between using a cute little puppy or using an ugly old clam, or a chunk of beef, or a baby fish or any other living thing that may be used for bait, not to mention of course the cute little shark they are trying to catch.

It always seems to me that the folks most interested in legislating against improper treatment of animals are usually only in favor of protecting the cute ones.

Originally Posted by From a friend and longtime PETA member when I asked why he killed bugs

Bugs aren't animals.....

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

On a more serious note:

I understand that people get upset about cute little puppies and kittens being used for bait. But what is the difference between using a cute little puppy or using an ugly old clam, or a chunk of beef, or a baby fish or any other living thing that may be used for bait, not to mention of course the cute little shark they are trying to catch.

It always seems to me that the folks most interested in legislating against improper treatment of animals are usually only in favor of protecting the cute ones.

First, Morgan has to control the urge to vomit on her keyboard that hit when she read that article.
Second, Morgan has to go pet all of her cats.

*deep breath*

OK...sarettah...this seems to be your day as "Fair Point Devil's Advocate." You're right. *Certain* animal rights people do seem to have a preference for only the "cute" animals. (Refusing to eat tuna because dolphins get caught in the net is a case in point. It's all right to slaughter the tuna, but not the dolphins. For those of you who know more about this, yes, I am fully aware that dolphins have a higher intelligence and are swimming in the deeper end of the gene pool...so-to-speak.)

However...we as a civilization have categorized animals. Certain are used for food (which as omnivores, we have as much right to do as lions on the Sarengeti...except for the "Killing it ourselves" part, which we do not do) and certain animals are labeled "pets." (There are other labels, but these are the two relevent ones.) Using "pets" for bait is going to cause a horrific knee-jerk reaction and logic be damned. It did in me and I try and work on the logical side of my brain and let it out to walk around as much as possible.

Something Wicca This Way Comes....
Cats and dogs are especially beloved of the Goddess. They are able to see past the veil, which is why the tend to freak out - or just respond, depending - in a house occupied by an entity humans may not be able to see. They have been worshipped at different times in history by different cultures. A lot of witches have cats as "familiars." (Look it up, gentle reader, if interested.)

Historians say dogs were among the first domesticated animals, used for companionship and protection. Our love affair with these two species has gone on for millions of years.

Attempting to drag myself back to the original point, you're right sarettah. We should care about *all* living creatures, not just the cute ones.

I'm going to send positive energy to Wicked Temptress now in the hopes I can help her up off the floor.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

For those of you who know more about this, yes, I am fully aware that dolphins have a higher intelligence and are swimming in the deeper end of the gene pool

Just a note on this... Check out a porpoises skeleton some time, they used to have fully opposable thumbs. All the bones are still there

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

However...we as a civilization have categorized animals..... Certain are used for food and certain animals are labeled "pets." (There are other labels, but these are the two relevent ones.)

But depending on the society, certain animals that we label as "pets" they label as "food". ie: Dogs are a meal for many societies, not only southeast asian but right here in North America; Horses are also a meal for many third world societies such as New Jersey

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Attempting to drag myself back to the original point, you're right sarettah. We should care about *all* living creatures, not just the cute ones.

How bout plants ?

[sarettah]

damn, I forgot to mention Guinea pigs in my examples

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Just a note on this... Check out a porpoises skeleton some time, they used to have fully opposable thumbs. All the bones are still there

I *so* did not know that and am now so glad that I do!

Originally Posted by sarettah

But depending on the society, certain animals that we label as "pets" they label as "food". ie: Dogs are a meal for many societies, not only southeast asian but right here in North America; Horses are also a meal for many third world societies such as New Jersey

Yes, I'm aware of that. I was going more for a generalized, majority type of thing.

Originally Posted by sarettah

How bout plants ?

Do you mean should we care about them? *chuckle* You should have seen the mortified tree trimmer when I went outside and saw how brutally he'd pruned my beloved California Pepper in the front yard. I burst into tears. He reassured me that it would all grow back about a dozen times.

I watch those Saturday morning "fix up your house/yard/whatever" shows with my husband and yell "tree murderer!" at the screen a lot when some ritch yutz yanks out perfectly healthy plants and trees.

Yes, we should care about plants. It makes us better people to care.

The Ritual performed when harvesting needed herbs, etc., cares for the plant and provides a "thank you" for what it provides.

I'm not a fanatic. I just like to think about this stuff.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Yes, we should care about plants. It makes us better people to care.

Ok, then how about the rocks ?

[sarettah]

Help Im a rock, help Im a rock, help Im a rock!

(Ahahahahahahaaa)

Help Im a rock, help Im a rock, help Im a rock!

(Somebody, please, please!)

Help Im a rock, help Im a rock...

Wow man, its a drag being a rock

(Help Im a rock...)

I wish I was anything but a rock

Heck, Id even like to be a policeman

Hey, you know what, you know maybe if I practised, you know

Maybe if I passed my driving test

I could get a gig drivin that bus and pick some freaks up

In front of ben franks, right!

(Zappa....'65 )

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Ok, then how about the rocks ?

*patiently*
Yes, sarettah, the rocks, too.
And anything else your naughty little mind can come up with.
This is where I gently encourage you to use the internet and search for some sites that might explain all manner of interesting things to you.

Mentally, I'm pitching a rock at your head. It's a pointless, silly fantasy, but somehow...it makes me feel better.

[WickedTemptress]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

First, Morgan has to control the urge to vomit on her keyboard that hit when she read that article.
Second, Morgan has to go pet all of her cats.

*deep breath*

OK...sarettah...this seems to be your day as "Fair Point Devil's Advocate." You're right. *Certain* animal rights people do seem to have a preference for only the "cute" animals. (Refusing to eat tuna because dolphins get caught in the net is a case in point. It's all right to slaughter the tuna, but not the dolphins. For those of you who know more about this, yes, I am fully aware that dolphins have a higher intelligence and are swimming in the deeper end of the gene pool...so-to-speak.)

However...we as a civilization have categorized animals. Certain are used for food (which as omnivores, we have as much right to do as lions on the Sarengeti...except for the "Killing it ourselves" part, which we do not do) and certain animals are labeled "pets." (There are other labels, but these are the two relevent ones.) Using "pets" for bait is going to cause a horrific knee-jerk reaction and logic be damned. It did in me and I try and work on the logical side of my brain and let it out to walk around as much as possible.

Something Wicca This Way Comes....
Cats and dogs are especially beloved of the Goddess. They are able to see past the veil, which is why the tend to freak out - or just respond, depending - in a house occupied by an entity humans may not be able to see. They have been worshipped at different times in history by different cultures. A lot of witches have cats as "familiars." (Look it up, gentle reader, if interested.)

Historians say dogs were among the first domesticated animals, used for companionship and protection. Our love affair with these two species has gone on for millions of years.

Attempting to drag myself back to the original point, you're right sarettah. We should care about *all* living creatures, not just the cute ones.

I'm going to send positive energy to Wicked Temptress now in the hopes I can help her up off the floor.

And who said I was on the floor? Hmmm?

Ok, ok... I was... But, for entirely different reasons than you think...

And Morgan, I wasn't aware I was in the presence of a fellow Wiccan

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by WickedTemptress

And who said I was on the floor? Hmmm?

Ok, ok... I was... But, for entirely different reasons than you think...

And Morgan, I wasn't aware I was in the presence of a fellow Wiccan

Yes. I converted years ago. For a long time, I followed the "uh...you might want to keep this to yourself" advice until it began to eat at me. It felt as if *not* mentioning it was because I was ashamed of it. I don't do things I'm ashamed of. The first time I mentioned it was at the hospital, when the nice young lady said "do you have a religious preference?" I said "yes." She asked "what?" I told her and she typed it in without batting an eye.

I haven't told my siblings, because they're rather judgemental people who don't know a lot about a lot of things. I grieve over that.

I need to study more. I have so many books here that haven't been read.

I'm really, *really* going to miss my daughter during Mabon and Samheim. They were her two favorites of the Sabbats.

[MorganGrayson]

Sarettah....I am going to give you a vicious spaning over that pic!!!!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Sarettah....I am going to give you a vicious spaning over that pic!!!!

Hey, don't blame me....... http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=33445

[WickedTemptress]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Yes. I converted years ago. For a long time, I followed the "uh...you might want to keep this to yourself" advice until it began to eat at me. It felt as if *not* mentioning it was because I was ashamed of it. I don't do things I'm ashamed of. The first time I mentioned it was at the hospital, when the nice young lady said "do you have a religious preference?" I said "yes." She asked "what?" I told her and she typed it in without batting an eye.

I haven't told my siblings, because they're rather judgemental people who don't know a lot about a lot of things. I grieve over that.

I need to study more. I have so many books here that haven't been read.

I'm really, *really* going to miss my daughter during Mabon and Samheim. They were her two favorites of the Sabbats.

*smiles* Ahh, we were in the broom closet, were we? Glad you decided to come out and join the rest of us.

Yes, I have also been in that same situation in the hospital. They start off standing there smiling and waiting for you to answer(with their pens pressed to the paper, ready to scribble down the answer they're anticipating you to respond with.)

Then you tell them and they kinda pause and look at you like "what did you say?" Almost like they can't believe you'd answer with anything but what they thought you'd answer with.

Oh! What are you reading? I have some suggestions for you if you'd like.

If you ever have any questions, just let me know, I'll be happy to help in whatever way that I can.

Samhain is my FAVORITE holiday. And, wouldn't you know it, my favorite holiday is in my favorite season!

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by WickedTemptress

*smiles* Ahh, we were in the broom closet, were we? Glad you decided to come out and join the rest of us.

Yes, I have also been in that same situation in the hospital. They start off standing there smiling and waiting for you to answer(with their pens pressed to the paper, ready to scribble down the answer they're anticipating you to respond with.)

Then you tell them and they kinda pause and look at you like "what did you say?" Almost like they can't believe you'd answer with anything but what they thought you'd answer with.

Oh! What are you reading? I have some suggestions for you if you'd like.

If you ever have any questions, just let me know, I'll be happy to help in whatever way that I can.

Samhain is my FAVORITE holiday. And, wouldn't you know it, my favorite holiday is in my favorite season!

I *love* the "in the broom closet" line!!! That has always been one of my favorites!!!

Sadly - and in quite an embarrassed way - I admit I haven't read anything in a long time. I've always had a problem with putting things that are important to *me* first in life.

I'd LOVE advice, help, recommended books, just knowing that I can say "Merry Meet!" or "Blessed Be" should I be so moved to do so and not everybody will go "huh?"!! Being a solitary so often sucks.

Samheim is the biggest celebration around here, as it should be. The altar takes up half the kitchen table. The day my husband made a fake hand rolled cigarette to honor his grandfather and put it on the altar reduced me to tears. (One of his fondest childhood memories was sitting at his grandfather's feet watching him roll his own cigarettes.) It was our first Samheim celebration. (I keep misspelling it...but I do pronounce it correctly.) He had been warmly indulgent during my search for what I was and shared my joy at finding out that what I was had an actual name. (We were both raised Catholic...and knew *that* wasn't it.) He's not a "declared Wiccan," but if you list what he believes...he comes so very close it doesn't really need declaring.

My son-in-law is Druid. A very long time ago he asked my daughter what her parents would think. All she could do was laugh and say "trust me on this one!"