Actual Business Thread #2

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Gonzo, why did the first free porn site ever open?

Eventually there will be a reason for any and every free site to be built, meaning eventually there will be someone willing to pay for the traffic.. However in the meantime you are left with nowhere but google etc..

Unless, of course, you become the company who would buy the traffic in that particular field.. I.E. The first pay porn site on the net; in your respective field.

I see another thread... Sharky wants your quality traffic.

[Dravyk]

Ryan, this is my own thoughts, although they certainly parallel what Gonzo said in his first reply to you. Your question is so limiting that you've painted yourself into a corner with your words. By the way you set that up, you can only do Google because that's how you set it up.

Want to try again?

[Hell Puppy]

Anything worth doing is worth doing for money...

But with that said some of the most successful sites on the web have been created out of a true passion by their creator. In the case of a Cubs fan site, maybe a life long Cubs fan starts the site out of pure dedication to the team. Say it eventually gets a message board or something for other Cubs fans, etc.

The key is if it is indeed successful it will have the most important fuel of the internet: Traffic.

If you've got traffic, money that wants that traffic will find you.

[RyanLanane]

"But with that said some of the most successful sites on the web have been created out of a true passion by their creator"

And some of the most successful programs to overcome addictions of all sorts have been made by the people suffering those addictions themselves, such as AA

I don't want to make a program that sells people on overcoming their addictions, rather offer them a 'place' to go 'on the net' 24/7 to discuss them through message boards, chat rooms, etc.. A Place to go after a rough day, if you can't get out to hit a meeting, or if you don't like lifting the 300 pound phone at 2:00 AM.. And it wouldn't be just for gambling addicts, just for coke heads, just for any particular type of addict... It would be for addicts in general of every type.

Question is not only can money be made doing this, but why hasn't this already succeeded... I looked for such sites in the middle of the night many many many times over the years for various addictions I have had .. as was as depression, you name it.. I am yet to fdind a place with the level of activity I would have expected the web to have by now..

That's why the question was posed as it was, I really didn't want to lay all this out there, as it is somthing I am considering giving a shot. However as mentioned this really isn't something that is going to be big in traffic without spending money. You also have a highly targetted group of people at your site where alot of the products on the market in general would be offensive to one or another of them. Which is quite possibly, why it has not been done on the broad spectrum I am mentioning...

Hell, have any of you even seen AA's web site? They are far from streamlining their way on to the web which they should of done by now, as well as NA, and GA, so on ... One centralized location for all of them to discuss all addictions (as most people don't have just one) ... might fly ?

It also could very well be the stupidest damn idea, not just because addicts need people shoving it down their throats they are f'ing idiots who don't know what they are talking about in the BRASHEST way possible for them to get it.. But maybe some things jsut weren't meant for the web?

If this 'sort of thing' was however meant for the web, meaning by that that all businesses will eventually have heavy internet dependance and utilization .. I do see some advances in many other fields that are entirely untapped and are multi billion dollar businesses.

Just the rambling thoughts of someone who has screwed up alot in their life the last couple weeks though and may not be thinking 100% clearly right now...

[Hell Puppy]

Obviously I haven't looked....

But I'm shocked there isn't a good support community out there already. That's one of the things that has been one of the positive benefits of the internet and it's reach. You can typically find an online support community for almost any type of disease, condition, trauma, etc.

[Dravyk]

For what it's worth, two things. They say for writers, "write what you know". Just as that doesn't have to be the case -- Jules Verne never got to the moon or the center of the earth -- it might be a good thing for business too. Like Verne, it certainly doesn't have to be, but it doesn't hurt.

Second, I've spent the last eight or nine months, going through, reading business articles to put on MW. I've glanced at, skimmed, looked at and often read completely several thousand articles now. Some by morons, many by real experts (as opposed to pseudo-gurus). One thing that has come up often as a theme, and one which I am taking to heart in a new venture I'm working on, is do what you enjoy and try and make a business out of that.

HP said that earlier with "But with that said some of the most successful sites on the web have been created out of a true passion by their creator." And that's been true for Green Guy, PK, Dokk and his radio, JFK and his photography and tons of other adult and mainstream successes.

It's something I know that personally has been missing from many of my past business projects -- not much "soul", not enough "heart".

So, naw, Ryan. If it's something your passionate about, I say give it a whirl.

[RyanLanane]

Thanks Dravyk, I couldn't agree more with you about working on something you are passionate about. I wonder in this industry how many people truly enjoy the work they do even though they make $100K + a year...

I read a poll somewhere not long ago, might of been askmen.com and roughly 80% of men placed the importance of enjoying their job above the fianancial aspects when looking for new work.

It was also stated that a man having a job he was happy with was more likely to live a long and healthy life than a man who was very affluent living a good sex life. Who knows where they got this from, but I do remember reading it and being pretty shell shocked. Now, not so much ....

I have worked jobs laying new subflooring, 10 hour shifts, and at least 4 new backaches a day in the last couple of months and come home happier than I ever did in the normal years of the adult internet.

Now the years I was makign shitloads of money, had no worries, and this business was pure fun... That is an entirely different story

[RyanLanane]

BTW, Hell Puppy you would be very suprised..

And the information out there, it is the same information plagerized over and oevr until you get to the point where you quit clicking links because you know you will see the same stuff. There are no real communities out there I have found for a majority of the things you would expect there to be.

There are some, sure, but they are not reliable and consistent .. They don't offer you 24/7/365 - It is more like one hour a week or month the site has everyone get together type of thing. You could bookmark 500 of those things and pry find support any time of the night, but not like I expected to find when I looked...

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

For what it's worth, two things. They say for writers, "write what you know". Just as that doesn't have to be the case -- Jules Verne never got to the moon or the center of the earth -- it might be a good thing for business too. Like Verne, it certainly doesn't have to be, but it doesn't hurt.

Second, I've spent the last eight or nine months, going through, reading business articles to put on MW. I've glanced at, skimmed, looked at and often read completely several thousand articles now. Some by morons, many by real experts (as opposed to pseudo-gurus). One thing that has come up often as a theme, and one which I am taking to heart in a new venture I'm working on, is do what you enjoy and try and make a business out of that.

HP said that earlier with "But with that said some of the most successful sites on the web have been created out of a true passion by their creator." And that's been true for Green Guy, PK, Dokk and his radio, JFK and his photography and tons of other adult and mainstream successes.

It's something I know that personally has been missing from many of my past business projects -- not much "soul", not enough "heart".

So, naw, Ryan. If it's something your passionate about, I say give it a whirl.

I've been saying this for years and it most definitely applies to adult. The sites/niches that I am successful at are those that I know and like myself. You gotta still have a little bit of that horny surfer eye to understand the psychology and properly market the site.

Meanwhile, I cant sell a gay site to save my life. I just dont understand what's hot about having a big ole set of hairy sweaty balls across your nose.

It's also no coincidence that our most successful mainstream sites also again tie to something that we have a genuine interest in.