Weight Loss?

[JR]

Originally Posted by EroticySteve

Actually, you're not 100% right and you're not 100% wrong. I'm not a nutritionist, a personal trainer or a guru of fitness, or pysiology. However, I'd agree with you if I wasn't monitoring body fat. I'm working out too and you know what? If I'm retaining that much extra water, I'm glad to have it gone.

Sorry to annoy you. 15lbs is 15lbs and it's a great start. I'll be doing Atkins for another 5 days and then I'll be moving to a sensible meal plan again.

1) i am not wrong.

2) i am not annoyed. if you need to believe what you believe to keep going thats great. but a poor understanding of what you are doing will be hurtful in the long run when weight loss slows/stops and like most, you will get depressed and feel a sense of hopelessness the first time you eat some sugar and gain 10 pounds and think you gained fat, not realizing that it is water. water that your body would be holding anyway under normal conditions.

3) 15 pounds of water is still 15 pounds of water. the goal is to lose fat. there is no point to dehydrating yourself and calling it weight loss when you will gain it all back by simply drinking fluids. the net fat loss will still be zero in the end.

read up a little on ketogenic diets. there is better information available losing weight by inducing ketosis in body building articles about CKD's (cyclical ketogenic diets) and TKD's (targeted ketogenic diets) than about atkins. if you really want to understand the mechanics of ketosis, read "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald - which is as of to date, the most comprehensive source of information on the matter. atkins and others do not talk much about the physiology involved simply because there are few studies on ketogenic diets and most of what is known comes from studies in using these diets to control epilepsy in children.

i would love to debate the issue all day, but i fear it would fall on deaf ears. i have read the books. read the studies, and i spend 5 days a week in the gym and consider myself fairly well informed on the subject.

4) losing 12 pounds of fat only in 10 days would require a caloric deficit of over 3600 calories per day which is not likely. right now i eat 2200-2500 cals a day at 5'10" and 240 pounds and my BMR is around 2200. that would mean i would have to eat zero and then run for an hour and a half every day to achieve that. if you know anything about basic physiology and exercise science, you would know that you cannot lose fat that fast without losing significant muscle mass as well. your heart is also a muscle. most who do achieve this level weight loss (unless they are morbidly obese) cause significant damage to their heart. thats why it is always recommended that safe weight loss should be around 1-2 pounds per week.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by JR

1) i am not wrong.

2) i am not annoyed. if you need to believe what you believe to keep going thats great. but a poor understanding of what you are doing will be hurtful in the long run when weight loss slows/stops and like most, you will get depressed and feel a sense of hopelessness the first time you eat some sugar and gain 10 pounds and think you gained fat, not realizing that it is water. water that your body would be holding anyway under normal conditions.

3) 15 pounds of water is still 15 pounds of water. the goal is to lose fat. there is no point to dehydrating yourself and calling it weight loss when you will gain it all back by simply drinking fluids. the net fat loss will still be zero in the end.

read up a little on ketogenic diets. there is better information available losing weight by inducing ketosis in body building articles about CKD's (cyclical ketogenic diets) and TKD's (targeted ketogenic diets) than about atkins. if you really want to understand the mechanics of ketosis, read "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald - which is as of to date, the most comprehensive source of information on the matter. atkins and others do not talk much about the physiology involved simply because there are few studies on ketogenic diets and most of what is known comes from studies in using these diets to control epilepsy in children.

i would love to debate the issue all day, but i fear it would fall on deaf ears. i have read the books. read the studies, and i spend 5 days a week in the gym and consider myself fairly well informed on the subject.

4) losing 12 pounds of fat only in 10 days would require a caloric deficit of over 3600 calories per day which is not likely. right now i eat 2200-2500 cals a day at 5'10" and 240 pounds and my BMR is around 2200. that would mean i would have to eat zero and then run for an hour and a half every day to achieve that. if you know anything about basic physiology and exercise science, you would know that you cannot lose fat that fast without losing significant muscle mass as well. your heart is also a muscle. most who do achieve this level weight loss (unless they are morbidly obese) cause significant damage to their heart. thats why it is always recommended that safe weight loss should be around 1-2 pounds per week.

Even with a medical background, I fought it...when I first started. If I hadn't started crying, I do believe my trainer was going to kick me out, even though I was paying him. I was that difficult.

I wanted to lose the initial weight fast..I was a great believer in modified Atkins....low to no carbs, since I felt that was the cause of all my problems...which it wasn't...

I wanted to tone muscle and improve my metabolism and I simply could not wrap myself around the reasoning for losing the weight gradually.....and I do mean gradually.....one pound a week when I've got fifty to lose....is slooooooooooow.....what I didn't realise is I would be losing body fat....and toning muscle, which tightens and strengthens....

One of the biggest side benefits I received....was no more occupational hazard pain......I had sciatica....from an old back injury and sitting wrong in my chair for hours on end...mouse shoulder, all right sided pain..and constant. Other than the muscle soreness...there was a day when I realised I was not in pain anymore. I can do chin ups now, with my right arm pulling my still not thin body up over the bar and my shoulder is no longer screaming at me. I can do unstable exercises and there is no more high pitched electric nerve pain shooting down my leg....if nothing else, this makes me do the Snoopy dance....which I can now do.

The one pound a week...well.....it's tough for me as I travel so much...and yes, I drink....some of you have seen me at shows. I am never without my vodka/tonic/lime or cosmo....and that's just the facts of life...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Raven

...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

So, just for the sake of the math here, how many twenty pounds are you going to lose, so I can calculate how many half inches you're gonna grow so I'll know how impressed the ladies will be?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Me too! Except mine is... Penis grows a half inch for every 20lbs I lose... Lose weight... get hung...impress the ladies...

If you slimmed down to nothing , you'd be an enormous 14 inch cock...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

If you slimmed down to nothing , you'd be an enormous 14 inch cock...

Nah, I got it ingrown 6 inches right now!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Raven

Even with a medical background, I fought it...when I first started. If I hadn't started crying, I do believe my trainer was going to kick me out, even though I was paying him. I was that difficult.

I wanted to lose the initial weight fast..I was a great believer in modified Atkins....low to no carbs, since I felt that was the cause of all my problems...which it wasn't...

I wanted to tone muscle and improve my metabolism and I simply could not wrap myself around the reasoning for losing the weight gradually.....and I do mean gradually.....one pound a week when I've got fifty to lose....is slooooooooooow.....what I didn't realise is I would be losing body fat....and toning muscle, which tightens and strengthens....

One of the biggest side benefits I received....was no more occupational hazard pain......I had sciatica....from an old back injury and sitting wrong in my chair for hours on end...mouse shoulder, all right sided pain..and constant. Other than the muscle soreness...there was a day when I realised I was not in pain anymore. I can do chin ups now, with my right arm pulling my still not thin body up over the bar and my shoulder is no longer screaming at me. I can do unstable exercises and there is no more high pitched electric nerve pain shooting down my leg....if nothing else, this makes me do the Snoopy dance....which I can now do.

The one pound a week...well.....it's tough for me as I travel so much...and yes, I drink....some of you have seen me at shows. I am never without my vodka/tonic/lime or cosmo....and that's just the facts of life...but when I am home...every time I look at that boring nutritional plan, I just keep thinking size six...size six....muscles, tone.....buff.....pain free.

Youve done well. I wish I had the motivation and will power!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Youve done well. I wish I had the motivation and will power!

Thanks.......I appreciate the words, my friend. It helps...as it has been an uphill battle all the way...but, for me..the motivation is that I'm paying this bastard torture prick to whip me into shape. I hate wasting money....LOL...well, that...and I thought I was dying. Two powerful motivations....

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Raven

Thanks.......I appreciate the words, my friend. It helps...as it has been an uphill battle all the way...but, for me..the motivation is that I'm paying this bastard torture prick to whip me into shape. I hate wasting money....LOL...well, that...and I thought I was dying. Two powerful motivations....

Keep after it. it looks as if its agreeing with you

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by JR

1) i am not wrong.

2) i am not annoyed. if you need to believe what you believe to keep going thats great. but a poor understanding of what you are doing will be hurtful in the long run when weight loss slows/stops and like most, you will get depressed and feel a sense of hopelessness the first time you eat some sugar and gain 10 pounds and think you gained fat, not realizing that it is water. water that your body would be holding anyway under normal conditions.

3) 15 pounds of water is still 15 pounds of water. the goal is to lose fat. there is no point to dehydrating yourself and calling it weight loss when you will gain it all back by simply drinking fluids. the net fat loss will still be zero in the end.

read up a little on ketogenic diets. there is better information available losing weight by inducing ketosis in body building articles about CKD's (cyclical ketogenic diets) and TKD's (targeted ketogenic diets) than about atkins. if you really want to understand the mechanics of ketosis, read "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald - which is as of to date, the most comprehensive source of information on the matter. atkins and others do not talk much about the physiology involved simply because there are few studies on ketogenic diets and most of what is known comes from studies in using these diets to control epilepsy in children.

i would love to debate the issue all day, but i fear it would fall on deaf ears. i have read the books. read the studies, and i spend 5 days a week in the gym and consider myself fairly well informed on the subject.

4) losing 12 pounds of fat only in 10 days would require a caloric deficit of over 3600 calories per day which is not likely. right now i eat 2200-2500 cals a day at 5'10" and 240 pounds and my BMR is around 2200. that would mean i would have to eat zero and then run for an hour and a half every day to achieve that. if you know anything about basic physiology and exercise science, you would know that you cannot lose fat that fast without losing significant muscle mass as well. your heart is also a muscle. most who do achieve this level weight loss (unless they are morbidly obese) cause significant damage to their heart. thats why it is always recommended that safe weight loss should be around 1-2 pounds per week.

5' 10" and 240lbs! Holy shit bro! You are getting Diesel!

I'm trying to lose weight, but at the moment, the growth is actually making me bigger, rather smaller. I gained 6lbs in almost 2 weeks. I'm tipping the scales at 274lbs, and people are asking me if I'm losing weight!

No change in diet, still have one cheat meal or two a week, caloric intake is around 3600, in gym 4 to 5 times a week, no cardio. Just had blood pressure and heartbeat at rest taken this morning by a Nurse. 120/82 and 72 bpm.

I'm going to start BJJ back up after the first weekend and Vegas. It's going to be interesting to see how fast I drop weight. As that's an hour and half straight grappling.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Anthony

5' 10" and 240lbs! Holy shit bro! You are getting Diesel!

I'm trying to lose weight, but at the moment, the growth is actually making me bigger, rather smaller. I gained 6lbs in almost 2 weeks. I'm tipping the scales at 274lbs, and people are asking me if I'm losing weight!

No change in diet, still have one cheat meal or two a week, caloric intake is around 3600, in gym 4 to 5 times a week, no cardio. Just had blood pressure and heartbeat at rest taken this morning by a Nurse. 120/82 and 72 bpm.

I'm going to start BJJ back up after the first weekend and Vegas. It's going to be interesting to see how fast I drop weight. As that's an hour and half straight grappling.

jesus. 274. haha... thats a lot of Philippino lovin you are carrying around. i hope to get up to around 260 by the end of the year. i am 240, but my BF is still around 18-20%. i just took a few weeks off, went down to San Diego/LA and I need to go to Europe on Mon for a few days and after that i am going to come back and jump back into it full swing.

I want to get up to 260 by the end of the year. we'll see. i originally just wanted to get some of my size back and get a little bigger but find myself increasingly hooked on the idea of getting bigger and bigger. as i am sure you know, there is just something deeply satisfying about waking up and being the strongest you have ever been in your life and knowing you will be even stronger the next day... and at the same time, there is something terribly depressing about being weaker and losing what you built should you start slacking.

this time, i will make some videos of my progress with my friend as we train for the next 4 months. this time we are just going to do nothing but squats, dead lifts and bench twice a week (maybe arms/shoulders once a week). my buddy gained over 20 pounds in 6 months without any drugs or supplements doing this, so the next go around we will hit the same routine together. i can already deadlift 500 straight legged for 4-5 reps. kinda curious to see how far i can go.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by JR

jesus. 274. haha... thats a lot of Philippino lovin you are carrying around. i hope to get up to around 260 by the end of the year. i am 240, but my BF is still around 18-20%. i just took a few weeks off, went down to San Diego/LA and I need to go to Europe on Mon for a few days and after that i am going to come back and jump back into it full swing.

I want to get up to 260 by the end of the year. we'll see. i originally just wanted to get some of my size back and get a little bigger but find myself increasingly hooked on the idea of getting bigger and bigger. as i am sure you know, there is just something deeply satisfying about waking up and being the strongest you have ever been in your life and knowing you will be even stronger the next day... and at the same time, there is something terribly depressing about being weaker and losing what you built should you start slacking.

this time, i will make some videos of my progress with my friend as we train for the next 4 months. this time we are just going to do nothing but squats, dead lifts and bench twice a week (maybe arms/shoulders once a week). my buddy gained over 20 pounds in 6 months without any drugs or supplements doing this, so the next go around we will hit the same routine together. i can already deadlift 500 straight legged for 4-5 reps. kinda curious to see how far i can go.

Is your buddy the guy I met?

[JR]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Is your buddy the guy I met?

that was my cousin. if you saw him right now, you would not recognize him. he has trimmed down and he is still over 230 pounds. he is a lot bigger and trimmer. i tried to get him to take off his jacket at your house so you could see his arms, but he was just self conscious about how fat he got in the 4-6 mo's prior. i have never seen arms that big on a kid that is only 20. right now, he is getting ready to compete, so he looks like a completely different person. he has been a great source of motivation for me.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by JR

that was my cousin. if you saw him right now, you would not recognize him. he has trimmed down and he is still over 230 pounds. he is a lot bigger and trimmer. i tried to get him to take off his jacket at your house so you could see his arms, but he was just self conscious about how fat he got in the 4-6 mo's prior. i have never seen arms that big on a kid that is only 20. right now, he is getting ready to compete, so he looks like a completely different person. he has been a great source of motivation for me.

I was actually struck by his manners , a nice guy.

BTW if you and your wife are coming up in Sept , let me know and we'll have dinner.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I was actually struck by his manners , a nice guy.

BTW if you and your wife are coming up in Sept , let me know and we'll have dinner.

Yeah, we would love to head back up that way. It would be great to see you... I will let you know if we do. She is waiting for documents to travel. We definately wanted to check out Butchart Gardens before summer ends as well.