NBC Dateline Show

[DollarManSteve]

Originally Posted by Carrie

I tell ya, a LOT of companies got their name up in this report. And the reporters didn't have to do anything to make Python look bad - they went to the addresses listed on Python's site and what they found were a postal drop box and an empty storefront (getting ready to be a restaurant). The custodian of records for Python, supposedly this huge rich company, was a guy with a crappy apartment. (At least though, they *have* a custodian of records - if he did actually have the records there.)

A few quick points:

- That was Judson's office, not his apartment
- Judson is 'a' custodian of records, not 'our' custodian of records
- Judson is a photographer
- Lots of companies have PO boxes
- Sometimes records are out of date - its pretty obvious that the empty storefront no longer had anything to do with Python

But you are right about Python, its like.. 2 guys chillin' in a back alley with laptops running the whole operation.. we are a small, insignificant two-bit operation with absoltely no power or influence in this industry.

Media spin is YUMMY.

/sarcasm

[Carrie]

Oh please, Steve. *rolls eyes*
Evidently the storefront *did* at one time have something to do with Python, otherwise they wouldn't have gotten that address off of the Python site. And it's Python's responsibility to keep the records up to date, isn't it? If the company isn't even complying with that, how can affiliates expect the company to comply with all of the other important things (like 2257) they're expected to handle? The affiliates watching that program got an eye-opener about the operation.

The "spin" coming out of this is Python trying to skip out of what was shown there. Judson's just a photographer, yet there he was right at the Python booth. The storefront "no longer" had anything to do with Python - yet there it was, from the address on Python's site - a little storefront. Not the nice building and professional atomosphere someone would expect from a company that puffs itself up as much as Python does. That building in Toronto where the "data center" (*cough*) was - yeah. Real class operation going on there, too. You can just see the money mixed in among the dirt at the front door.

Shove the sarcasm and show the professionalism that Aly and Richard showed. (Even though Richard basically lied in the beginning about being able to find the spammer, he was still professional and polite in dealing with the reporter.) A simple "We put up P.O. boxes and a maze of fake addresses to keep this kind of thing from happening" would be sufficient, and it wouldn't make it seem as if you guys can't even keep your records updated.

[DollarManSteve]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Evidently the storefront *did* at one time have something to do with Python, otherwise they wouldn't have gotten that address off of the Python site. And it's Python's responsibility to keep the records up to date, isn't it? If the company isn't even complying with that, how can affiliates expect the company to comply with all of the other important things (like 2257) they're expected to handle? The affiliates watching that program got an eye-opener about the operation.

Im sure it did, as I pointed out. There is no issue with 'compliance', suggesting such implies there is an authority that regulates a company's ability to move, which there is not. Also, I can assure you that there are many affiliates who work with either myself or someone else on the team who would speak to our high level of professionalism and experience. I would suggest that the only person who is in need of an 'eye-opener' is yourself.

The "spin" coming out of this is Python trying to skip out of what was shown there. Judson's just a photographer, yet there he was right at the Python booth.

Skip out on what? Are you implying that Judson is involved in some conspiracy with Python? Have you ever met Judson? lol... He was also around our booth quite a bit at Internext this past weekend, especially given his new found celebrity :P It was a happy coincidene (for John Hawkenberry) that he happened to be at our booth when he decided to show up with his hidden camera at Internext Vegas 2004. Please, put your tinfoil hat away.

The storefront "no longer" had anything to do with Python - yet there it was, from the address on Python's site - a little storefront. Not the nice building and professional atomosphere someone would expect from a company that puffs itself up as much as Python does. That building in Toronto where the "data center" (*cough*) was - yeah. Real class operation going on there, too. You can just see the money mixed in among the dirt at the front door.

There are many companies that 'puff' themselves up more than Python and there is nothing I need to say to that, reality is what it is but you can choose to believe whatever you'd like. You are cordially invited to visit Python's Corporate offices located in Toronto's beautiful 'porn district'. I would be more than happy to put your misconceptions of our operation to rest.

Shove the sarcasm and show the professionalism that Aly and Richard showed. (Even though Richard basically lied in the beginning about being able to find the spammer, he was still professional and polite in dealing with the reporter.) A simple "We put up P.O. boxes and a maze of fake addresses to keep this kind of thing from happening" would be sufficient, and it wouldn't make it seem as if you guys can't even keep your records updated.

I dont recall being confrontational or unprofessional, I was simply clarifying some misunderstandings you clearly had about Python put forth by Dateline's garbage 'journalism', and I will not be involved in the 'shoving' of anything, thank you. There is the truth and there are lies, and I apologize if I do not take kindly to the propogation of lies about our company.

If anyone wants to know anything about our company I am always available to answer questions you may have - ignorance breeds fear and contempt. Dateline is as good a resource for information about Python as the Weekly World News is for news.

[Carrie]

Ooh, look. No "/sarcasm" on the end of that one. An actual attempt at a professional reply, although it's like closing the barn doors after the horses have gotten out. And still, can't keep the tone professional anyway. Ah well.

Originally Posted by DollarManSteve

If anyone wants to know anything about our company I am always available to answer questions you may have - ignorance breeds fear and contempt. Dateline is as good a resource for information about Python as the Weekly World News is for news.

Unless, of course, affiliates want to know if Python will hand their personal names, addresses, and phone numbers out to anyone who asks for it.
On that count, Dateline did a pretty bang-up job.

Tell me, do you give personal information out to any reporter, or just those in wheelchairs?

Go print some more toilet paper and keep deluding yourself about what a class act you've got there.

[Trev]

Hi Carrie, it's been a while

I've personally spoken to Steve a few months ago on ICQ, there wasn't a question that I could drag up no matter how good or bad that he didn't answer with honesty.

That being said we (me and my other) may be moving back into adult very soon and I'd have no problems sending my traffic to Python!



But it is good to see you around these parts again and I hope it's not just a quick Python piss and away

[DollarManSteve]

Originally Posted by Carrie

Unless, of course, affiliates want to know if Python will hand their personal names, addresses, and phone numbers out to anyone who asks for it.
On that count, Dateline did a pretty bang-up job.

Tell me, do you give personal information out to any reporter, or just those in wheelchairs?

Go print some more toilet paper and keep deluding yourself about what a class act you've got there.

If you would like to know any of the actual _facts_ underlying this story, please contact me anytime in a less public forum, board 'drama' is not my style and I regret the fact that I allowed myself to be dragged into it. Also, you can add yourself to the list of people who dont hold Python in high regard, but as I said before there is a reason we are still successful in this business - it is because of the good realtionships that have been built over time with our loyal webmasters and partners.

This is the last ounce of effort I am putting into this thread.

/drama