3 years later is the US winning the war?

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 25 2004, 07:44 AM

JR, at this point, if you follow the UN's course of action ( or inaction) then Sadddam would be in power, 1000 americans would be sleeping at home, and the price of oil would probably be lower.

More importantly, there wouldn't be a huge new training and indoctrination lab for terrorists called "Iraq".

I am NOT a big fan of the UN in it's current form, an impotent forum for whiners and tinpot despots to make like they are really leaders, but I am a fan of having a place where all the world gets together to discuss and look for solutions. Alas, those solutions are often blocked by those who need the most solving, but there ya go.

The UN didn't create the current situation in Iraq, only Bush as his "coalition of the willing (stupid way to say only a few countries provided meaningful amounts of troops) created the mess, and they are now stuck with it. Sucking up to the UN after deed is done is, well, sucky.

i cannot argue with that.

but i believe other statements are also true...

100's of thousands of Iraqi children would not be dying before the age of 5 because their leader is building new palaces with their medicine.

some of the worlds most notorious terrorists are no longer safely living in bagdad.

al queda supported terrorists no longer have a base in Iraq

Iraq is no longer hiding weapons of mass destruction or failing to account for them at the demand of the UN.

i believe that would be ditctators are now on notice and know that there is a "too far" while they are telling the world to fuck off.

i believe that Iran and Syria at a minimum, know that they do have to keep their behavior and support of terrorism in check and know that someone might strike them if they cross the line

i can go on and on with as many similar statements as you can with your own. my point is always the same.. its not a matter of right or wrong. those are subjective issues that change a couple dozen times in each time zone on the planet.

I agree with you ... asking the UN to pay for problems in Iraq being that it was so clear that most in the UN were against the war... and the UN Security Council did not support the war is pretty shitty. But thats politics. Politics is always shitty. Politics is always the same... doing what is in your own best interest while trying to convince everyone it is in their best interests. Bush would be more of an idiot for not trying in my opinion.