word of wisdom

[Winetalk.com]

mistake.

He learned from the best (Kevin) how to deal with "confucies"


...and when he drops the bomb on your stupid head,
I want you think about and look at yourself in the mirror.
Make a pic of this moment for Oprano.

Gonzo, good job, mano!
;-)

[Mike AI]

If I lived in a glass house I would not be pissing Gonzo off.

Hooper send him a few dozen KrispyKreme donuts and maybe he will call the dawgs off!!

[Hooper]

some fat hairy nut convinced he runs a cartel is worrying me?

our business is crumbling as we speak. it's terrible.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 28 2004, 11:18 PM
some fat hairy nut convinced he runs a cartel is worrying me?

our business is crumbling as we speak. it's terrible.

Why would you be worried?

[Hooper]

I thought the sarcasm was evident.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 28 2004, 11:28 PM
I thought the sarcasm was evident.

Me too.

<_<

[Hooper]

I'm sure oprano radio will be large and in charge like never before over this.

*edit. i'm going to watch big fish. hope it's as good as the reviews say. dont quite understand where all the recent hostility from the oprano crew came from.. you know where to find me :P



Last edited by Hooper at Apr 28 2004, 11:39 PM

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 28 2004, 11:37 PM
I'm sure oprano radio will be large and in charge like never before over this.

*edit. i'm going to watch big fish. hope it's as good as the reviews say. dont quite understand where all the recent hostility from the oprano crew came from.. you know where to find me :P

Hostility?

Not from me.

I am a big fan of yours Hoop. I have told you this face to face.

The spyware stuff is a big concern for me. It effect my business. Not only my adult business, but also my non-adult ones. There is a lot of issues that many people overlook. My posistions on these issues have always been clear.

[cj]

Hooper, the hostility directed towards you from webmasters who have had your stupid shit installed on their machines is just a small portion of the hostility your surfers, the ftc and a number of other people who you can't continue to laugh off are feeling towards you.

Imagine, if you piss of people this much who DO know how to remove your shit from their machines, the surfers must really LOVE your product!! Because aren't you providing them with a helpful *service* by redirecting their searches to your sites?!

Oh and Oprano Radio won't be talking about you *much* - we will simply be using you as an example of 1 of the companies that pushes self installing products - after all, you are the only one who brags about it! And being that you'd prefer to be on DOKK'S show, I suggest you go do just that - we've got enough 'guests' who have something to say on the subject ...

... & Gonzo & I are still actually in business

Good luck on Dokk's show!!

[Hooper]

Originally posted by cj@Apr 28 2004, 11:54 PM
Hooper, the hostility directed towards you from webmasters who have had your stupid shit installed on their machines is just a small portion of the hostility your surfers, the ftc and a number of other people who you can't continue to laugh off are feeling towards you.

Imagine, if you piss of people this much who DO know how to remove your shit from their machines, the surfers must really LOVE your product!! Because aren't you providing them with a helpful *service* by redirecting their searches to your sites?!

Oh and Oprano Radio won't be talking about you *much* - we will simply be using you as an example of 1 of the companies that pushes self installing products - after all, you are the only one who brags about it! And being that you'd prefer to be on DOKK'S show, I suggest you go do just that - we've got enough 'guests' who have something to say on the subject ...

... & Gonzo & I are still actually in business

Good luck on Dokk's show!!

well now i missed the start of big fish and i'm gonna have to wait til another day.

i would suggest that oprano radio have it's ducks in order when it decides:

1 - what to call our products (e.g. "spyware")
2 - what to call us an example of (e.g. "scumbags")
3 - what you claim our products do (e.g. "redirects searches")

unfortunately cj, you, your fuzzy nut boyfriend, and whatever comical roster you have planned are are part of the growing crowd of novice computer users who cant tell a feature laden toolbar from an ad delivery mechanism or a damaging virus. If you can, you must be doing everything you can to mask your intelligence.

[cj]

Hoops, you are threatening to sue me if I speak the truth?! wow, you must be really scared of what we are going to say!!

Your lawyers have more important things to worry about sweet cheeks, I'd be saving their time for defending your 'feature laden toolbar' in court

I am stunned - I thought you were smarter than this ... but no, you are just another greedy clown who blames the dodgy elements of your product on 'idiot surfers'.

You seriously can't be calling me a computer idiot ... because if I am one, what category do my parents (and all of the rest of your customers) fall into? my parents have been using a computer for 2 years, don't want the 'feature laden toolbar' on their machines, and yet IT ENDED UP THERE. Its THEIR computer, not yours ... if they want a toolbar (why would they!??!?!), i'd find them one that is much better than the crap you offer.

Go on hooper ... insult my parents too ... they are only your potential customer base after all ... WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THEY KNOW HUH?

[Hooper]

i didnt threaten to sue anybody... i suggested you keep your facts straight rather than making up things that sound good because they are popular buzz words.

let somebody else ride the high horse cj. we all know where you've been.

[cj]

no you don't hooper, you just think you do

but by all means ... use what you think you know to try to avoid the truth about your own business ... I've been slammed by people whose skidmarks are more important to me than you - and i'm still here.

we all have periods in our life we aren't proud of, maybe you'll look back at this as one of yours ... or maybe you'll continue down the same road and end up a 30 year old divorcee whose wife won't let you see your children with debts piled up around your ears and a black mark against your name with the ftc ............. all because you got greedy.

and like you said yourself ... i'd know

[Hell Puppy]

Hooper,

Please dont take this as an attack because that is not the spirit in which I intend this. But I have a couple of serious questions for you...

1) What exactly does the toolbar product do?

And dont insult our intelligence here please. I'm not talking about the feature set the users see. It's a free product, so what's in it for you?

2) Where's the line at for you personally?

Seriously, I'm curious. I know easy money is like a drug. Everyone in this industry has compromised western society's typical view of principles by selling porn. Why do we do it? It's an easy way to make money.

The "line" is different from almost all of us though. I know several people in this industry who do not even deal with hardcore. For others they draw the line at spam. The majority wont touch kiddy porn, but I wonder how that would change if it were legal and selling like crazy.

Where's the line at for you? Now I'm not talking about what's legal, or what you can get away with. Let's assume there were no boundaries other than your own sense of right and wrong. How far would you go? How much money is enough? Lets say you could automatically drop a piece of code on a surfer's computer and have them click OK to some T&C's you know they'd never read. Upon clicking "OK" you could draw $5 a day off his credit card til he figured out how to jump thru your hoops to make it stop, would you do it?

[Vick]

From the no spin zone

My guess from the outside looking in is that the porn business isn't making the $ it did and things are being done to supplement that income (or perhaps to increase overall earnings)

So a "Spyware"/"Scumware" product is being promoted is an interesting/questionable fashion with potential to be damaging with regards to potential surfer spending or at least the surfers overall internet experience

So Hooper can you tell us exactly what this new toolbar does and how it is installed?

Is it an automatic download, installed in a forced/no choice fashion?

If so why did you choose this approach and did you know they may be a backlash from this procedure?

Does the toolbar provide an easy way to uninstall?

How much of what is being said on GFY is true?

Are you losing any appreciable business from webmasters claiming to be removing links to the programs you are associated with?

Here's an opportunity for you to tell your side of the story Hooper

BTW Hopper, did you ever make the move to NYC?


I'll admit when I saw the I-Download program I thought to myself here's a company selling things that some of could be gotten for free, if they can get $ for it, great

[Winetalk.com]

Hooper,
have your lawyer check the law suits filed in Utah against spyware distributors. How could you miss CNBC show? It was quite educational
;_)))

[Hell Puppy]

Gator has been sued repeatedly. So far they haven't been willing to test the legality of their adware in court and have instead settled each case. And they at least provide a dialog box prior to install...

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 28 2004, 11:18 PM
some fat hairy nut convinced he runs a cartel is worrying me?

our business is crumbling as we speak. it's terrible.

A cartel?
Oh Hooper you take things way too serious.
Ive repeatedly said I am a Fat Fucking Nobody.

And I know that you gots more of an IT background than I do with 17 years in the biz. Thats why you try to lecture all of us on spam and spyware...symantics and such ya know.

So since Im a dumbassed country boy and you won't answer any questions about what this thing does [its none of your bizness] Ill leave that to them impartial IT experts.

We present facts. What people decide after they've been presented is up to them. Im sure DOKK will love have you on his rebuttal show as CJ said.

But really...Id figure you can come up with some better insults.
I shaved though my man....my nuts aint hairy. It makes it asier for me to jack off to your poster on the wall. Its ok your married I wont tell her.

Tell you what Ill put up a site and all yall have to do is enter your credit card info and you can watch for free. Dont mind that verbage way at the bottom about joining my computer club for 29.95 a month or the note where I send you the CD at an additional $10 per month.

Then you 2 can sit back and have some free entertainment on me.

Remember your the one that asked me to get my facts straight. Im taking your advice!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 29 2004, 12:56 AM
i didnt threaten to sue anybody... i suggested you keep your facts straight rather than making up things that sound good because they are popular buzz words.

let somebody else ride the high horse cj. we all know where you've been.

At least she hasnt been in the Max Cash booth chasing around reps while she was drunk trying to get em some of that "easy pussy".

Let me see if I can find you a pic of my shaved nuts. I was too po to have it lasered off like you did for momma.

[cj]

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2004, 07:44 AM-->