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http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issues/091...1103/page3.html
I didn't know you thought us Australians were scammers Gary... 11. Shun the bad players. Why is no one going after BabeNet legally as well as after its principals? And why not after those Australian scammers? By showing we live with laws, people will not get beat up in public as much and we will not have as many wars on the boards. I guess you have enough business already.... Bye Bye DICKHEAD |
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So, I guess you Aussies are now in the same class as Russians?
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damn Aussies
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I dunno Voodoo... Gary hasnt included shunning Russians in his tips to success...
He won't have to worry about shunning too many Aussie $$$ from now on anyway hopefully ;-) And he already has 2 less accounts to worry about! 
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Why anyone pays any attention at all to what Gary Kremen says is beyond me........ He lost the domain and it would have stayed lost if certain people had not helped him out. He then took a "producing" domain and turned it into something that is (imho) slowly going downhill....
I do not agree at all with Cohen stealing the domain...that was wrong.. BUT at least Cohen had a clue about what to do with it... Kremen has taken the single most valuable piece of Adult Internet real estate and has managed to take it down in value quite considerably.... He might "seemingly" have high, lofty moral values, but he don't know shit about business..... I have had several arguments with Confucy (over at Digs place) about Kremen... I usually won't crosspost (anymore), but gonna break that for a minute here (hope you dont mind Mike and Serge) from: http://www.setgo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=540 quote: from confucy (directed at me): "Gary is an example for all of us because he didn't give up and let assholes like you take over his sex.com." my reply: "Gary is no example.. Back before the lawsuits, he had pretty much given up. If some of your arch-nemeses had not given him a good kick in the ass to get him started he would still be whining about how he had sex.com stolen from him. " ************************************************** *** http://www.lukeford.com/stars/male/stephen_cohen.htm History Of How Cohen Lost The Domain Cohen made only ONE mistake. In 1997 he went after 3 sex related domains: SexQ.com (Dokk's), HotSex.com (Mike & guys from Boston) Sexia.com (Serge's). First one didn't matter, Dokk called FBI, he thought he had something going, FBI told him: suck our dicks and that was the end of Dokk's struggle. Guy from Hotsex.com called his lawyers and mounted strong opposition against Cohen. Incidently, HE discovered KREMEN, pennyless wonder, claiming to be the original owner of sex.com, but having difficulties paying his San Francisco female attorney. HotSex.com told Serge about Kremen. Serge, who was blasting Cohen on YNOT board and who was sued by Cohen for sexia.com made 2 decissions: 1) give Cohen sexia.com without fight 2) get TOP go-getters with proven track records after Cohen. Yishai claims 'till this day that he didn't understand Serge' heavy russian accent when Serge told him that Yishai can own sex.com 'cuz Serge knew the REAL owner. Seth Warshawsky and Ron Levi DID understood Serge's English. Serge was offered part of sex.com in exchange for financing of law suit, but Serge said: GET THIS DOMAIN AWAY FROM COHEN, THIS WILL BE MY ULTIMATE SATISFACTION. And this is how Cohen, the "napoleon" who burnt Moscow and lost the war (per serge's posts on YNOT) lost his prized sex.com. If he was smart and didn't touch hotsex.com and Serge in 1997, none of you would know about existence of Mr. Kremen. --------------------------------------------------------- It was a long and bitter struggle for Kremen who went through a string of lawyers until guided to victory by Charles Carreon. In 1998, Seth Warshavsky (ClubLove.com) and Ron Levi (Cybererotica.com) agreed to help fund Kremen's legal fight to regain the domain name Sex.com. But Warshavsky quickly dropped out of the deal. Levi kept paying to the eventual tune of either $10,000 or $150,000, depending on who you talk to, until he quit in disgust with Kremen's attorney of the time Joel Dichter. Kremen next gave the case to a female attorney (Katie Deamer) who seemed intimidated by Cohen's crack legal team. She also appeared to be killing Kremen's case, which looked dead until Gary brought on Carreon. edited to extract key paragraphs from an accidental paste of the whole fucking article... *********************************************** Last edited by sarettah at Sep 12 2003, 09:31 AM
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S, you are 100% correct in your assesment,
including Luke's piece related to me, Mike from Hotsex.com IS the one who discovered Kremen first and it's 100% true that Kremen didn't have enough money to pay his lawyer.. side note: if Seth and Ron knew how the deal they financed turned out- they would make a deal with Cohen, but...we are all SMART in..retrospective ;-))) so far, there is only ONE clear winner from sex.com debacle - me! I met my wife thru her involvement with sex.com I am VERY happy and Gary, Cohen, Seth... all can lick my hairy Russian ass, I don't discriminate ;-))))
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA
that's a post for luke's collection 
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Aw sweetheart.....you're so romantic.
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hi mom!!
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Hello CJ....and Sarettah, and everyone!
Sorry to be so absent...it seems I've been unusually tongue tied the last few months. Between lots of travel, a renewed love affair with my first love (reading), and the joys of a happy marriage....somehow I morphed into........a lurker! When are you coming to visit your American mum and dad? It is way past time for another duck! |
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Sarettah, how can you insinuate that Cohen did a good job with sex.com. You are back to using MONEY as the proof. It's rare to find anybody who is making the kind of money Cohen was pulling in a few years ago. Sex.com was a banner farm long before pornsites drove you off because of bombarding you with boxes, banners, and non-stop junk causing your computer to close down. Cohen was suing everyone in sight including Lee Noga, and the owners of many domain names like sexbytes.com (a great name)!
Gary is much smarter than you think, Sarettah. Gary's problem, which I believe LL will confirm, is that he trusts too many people. He is easily social engineered by assholes. Even Kevin Mitnick was trying to convince Gary that he really was excellent in amateur radio. Gary knew it was cracker rhetoric, but he was polite and listened, and then locked his door when Mitnick left his house. Anyway, Gary reads oprano, so good luck with sex.com.
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1 - Why doesnt anybody go after those scammers from australia? In which i would assume he was referring to some particular scammers, not saying that all australians are scammers. OR 2 - Why doesnt somebody go after everybody from Australia, because they are all scammers. I am inclined to lean towards the former as he mentioned a particular company (babenet) first, which would lead me to believe he was continuing to talk about other specifics. JMHO
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D.I.C.K.H.E.A.D. Sarettah's right Confucy... times may have changed but I bet most people here think they could have done better job with sex.com than Gary has managed to do. Sex.com is a dog at the moment.. Thanks Hooper... you may be right about that! But he should choose his words more carefully when he has a shit product... people may just be looking for an excuse to ditch it anyway! |
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Gary is VERY trusting fella...and can't even make $5000 deal without 17 page legal contract ;'_)) When I got one, I read first 3 lines and decided it's not for me to spend so much time reading nonsence, after doing million $ business on handshake. sorry, but LL can NOT confirm your post ;-)) I bet you gonna miss us on Tuesday ;-)))
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In Business.... Money is the ultimate proof.......
Whether ethically obtained or not........ And yes, the money that was there back in 96 through 99 or so is not there any more... But money is still out there..... Banner farms worked back then..... Good business to do what worked.... And yes, Cohen was cutthroat, suing everyone in sight.... It was his ultimate downfall because he pissed too many in the industry off... but he was successful for a good long time.... Kremen has now had control of sex.com for 3 or 4 years.. What has he done with it... He has turned it into a pay per click search engine (with popunders and popups I might add).... Confucy... Consoles and stuff MAKE MONEY whether the surfer likes them or not... While I agree that paying attention to your customers and treating them "Properly" is a nice idea, IT DOES NOT MAKE MONEY... to quote ma bell: "Never give the suckers an even break"........and "Whatever the market will bear" are the ways to be succesful in business....... whether it be adult or mainstream....... Gary could be a genius for all I know.... Smart does not equate to money.. In fact in some cases it might take away from your ability to make money... Smart folk come up with all sorts of ideas... Lots of smart folks (myself included) can dream up the fanciest ass stuff in a second.... To be sucessful, you must IMPLEMENT and carry through on the ideas... That is the hard part... Donald Trump is not the smartest guy on the block by any means... But he is one of the richest..... Bill Gates could probably not program his way out of a paperbag anymore, but he is a marketeer and a half..... Find the formula that brings in cash, repeat repeat repeat...... That is the way to success.... Smart people are usually trying to tweak the formula, trying to find a "better" way to do it...never satisfied with just using someone elses idea and repeating it....... The dumber folk can play follower, take the formula and just keep working it..... The innovators do not always make the money by any means..... Some do, but many great innovators have had to learn the hard way that a great idea by itself doesn't make money... They have had to surround themselves with marketing and sales people to make the money.... Look at Bushnell ... He came out in the mid 70's with Atari... from his garage... Atari was revolutionary, it was the new thing.... What happened ? He had to selll out to Warner (at about one tenth of what Atarii was really worth) because he was going broke.. He did not know how to market his product.. He did not know how to do the business side of the stuff.... He later learned that side... So smarts do not equal crap in the business world or else everyone that posts regularly on this board would be worth millions and millions.... While some here are worth a lot ... I would venture that the majority of us, while we might make a good living, are not rolling in the big bucks... Otherwise we wouldn't still be working and we would have our secretaries doing our posting for us....... as far as Gary reading the boards, so what.. I am nothing in the adult business..lol... I have a few galleries up, etc... But that was a learning experience... Since 99, I have been behind the scenes in this business, programming etc... I still work a nine to five job in mainstream and atribute very litlle of my income to the adult net... IN fact, most of the time my expenses far outweigh my income, as it does with any startup..... I do not do business with sex.com and probably will not.... If Gary reads this and gets something from it, great. If he takes it as an insult... tough... I am just another voice speaking my opinion......... edited to clarify (and fix some typos): I started in the adult netin 99 working for a hosting company... a big one that is now out of business... I did not do stuff on my own until early 2002, so I have not been working it for 4 years and still not breaking even...lol... I have been playing with it for about a year and a half on my own and have spent more on content then I have brought in... dont want folks to think I'm a total loser...... ) Last edited by sarettah at Sep 12 2003, 11:14 AM
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In an industry where money is the meter by which success is gauged, that site was very successful. Of course there were alot of people making more money than that, I can think of a dozen off the top of my head based on the numbers I've heard. I've actually sat and talked to Gary about the whole thing and I know what his feelings are on the subject. And confucy, if you can go a day without mentioning Kevin Mitnick in a post, I'll Paypal 50 bucks to your favorite charity that accepts it. |
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Bushnell, not wozniak.........
damn it I hate when I do that..................... Wozniak was Apple.............. fuck fuck fuck Edited to say... Take whatever I said about Atari out... apparently I have 2 stories mixed up... Bushnell sold atari for 28 million... it was later he got in money trouble.. at least according to what I am reading now.... So, I will find whoever the fuck I am talking or forget about it........... Last edited by sarettah at Sep 12 2003, 11:24 AM
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Sarettah,
When that post was relayed to my master, he exclaimed " I love sarettah" ""To be sucessful, you must IMPLEMENT and carry through on the ideas"" pearl! ""While I agree that paying attention to your customers and treating them "Properly" is a nice idea, IT DOES NOT MAKE MONEY..."" They are not customers.Until they pay they are merely browsers,or as my master calls them "scum sucking bandwidth leeching bastards". ""In an industry where money is the meter by which success is gauged, that site was very successful. "" What other gauges are there? Last edited by TheNickBot at Sep 12 2003, 08:20 AM |
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Kimmy, if mentioning Mitnick's name pisses you off, then think what it must be doing to Mitnick when he reads about himself on porn boards. He would rather be listed on security sites, but he deserves to be placed where he belongs...PORNVILLE, USA.
Regarding Kremen, he sits down and has a chat with almost everyone in the world, so don't think you are one of the privileged ones with inside dope. I do not judge people by the money they make. Some of the biggest fools in my life are very rich and totally off the wall, so much so that they can't wipe their own asses. Gary had the smarts to buy the domain name, sex. com. Did you? Did I? Fuck no! What he does with it is his business. Everyone here would jump into bed with Gary in a second and tell the world how fabulous he is if they could just get their hands on SEX.COM. I have seen all the mistakes Gary has made. I would have loved to have been given the opportunity to make my own mistakes if I had sex.com in my hot little hands. Fear not, Gary-son. I will be taking the California Start Bar Exam soon, and you can add me to your payroll in case those bad bad guys try to steal your name again. Serge -- Susanne, have a wonderful trip. No need to request you send us pictures, because both of you are very good about entertaining the Oprano troops with your photography while you travel.
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just a little typing error............CALIFORNIA STATE BAR EXAM.
Susanne, want to be partners? Come take the exam with me in Feb.
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He was awarded it in the original domain name "lottery".... I do not know how many people put their name in the hat for it.. He was the lucky one whos name was drawn for it........ so his being smart enough to buy it was akin to a lottery winner being smart enough to buy the winning lottery ticket....
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Sarettah, I didn't know that. I will have to check it out. Do you have a url where Gary states that he won the domain name?
Great piece of trivia. Thanks. 
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I believe at that point in time (94) they were awarded on a lottery basis... It might actually be the way luke ford reported it and the way the court papers for the appeal list it (cant cut and paste the ruling it's in pdf), that he got it by making a phone call to Network solutions.... from luke ford: "On May 19, 1994, Gary Kremen registered with Internet Solutions the most valuable internet domain name Sex.com. Kremen got the name for free and without any official contract." I have some code to write then I will find some source material......
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I stand corrected.... It was apparently not a lottery assignment... It was however free... So he did not buy it but I will give him credit for having the foresight to register it......
http://people.itu.int/~shaw/docs/dns.html The principle for registration of domain names has been till now first come, first served. ................................. In a cooperative agreement43 with the US National Science Foundation, Network Solutions Incorporated (NSI) of Herndon, Virginia has since 1993 administered the registration of the generic TLDs .com, .net, .org, .gov and .edu. The .mil domain is managed by the US Department of Defense (DOD).44 The remaining ".int", a specialized TLD intended for international treaty organizations will, pending final agreement, be administered by the International Telecommunication Union in Geneva, Switzerland. As mentioned, the .gov, .edu and .mil domains are restricted to US applicants by allocation policy. This leaves .com, .net, and .org that should be considered as international TLDs (iTLDs). The NSF and NSI have been struggling to deal with the astronomical growth and commercialization of the Internet. When NSI began domain name registrations in the spring of 1993, approximately 400 domain names were being registered per month. However, in March 1996 (see Figure 1), this had risen to about 45,000 - a 25% growth over February alone. Since the overwhelming percentage were in the ".com" category, the NSF found itself essentially subsidizing commercial registrations which did not fall into its mandate.acting to this, NSF amended its cooperative agreement with NSI, allowing it to institute a US$ 50 a year charge for domain name registrations from September 14th, 1995.45 Last edited by sarettah at Sep 12 2003, 01:23 PM
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I was offered so many spiffy little one word domain names. I almost took babe.com, but I accepted babe.net, not knowing how popular .com names would be. I plan to develop beachbabe.com
I use to dream about what I would do with sex.com. I would have a "tell confucy" column and a newsletter. I would develop many sites for women which would showcase extremely sexy men. Gays wouldn't be excluded, nor would older men. Only criteria: sexiness 
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did you say "Older men"?
I'm getting there, and be on the lookout for you ;-)))
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Kimmy, do you remember when you left Texas and returned to Arizona, a very sad and rejected lady? You took some swings at dear Brad. I was outraged for you, and I also kicked his butt.
Well, I'm doing the same with cracker FAT FELON FUCK Mitnick, until I start to heal. Then I will never shake his hand or cock like you have done with Brad, but I will lower the heat on the bastard. When you know...and I do mean know and can prove that someone in the news is a fraud and a social engineering conman, do you sit back and allow the public to be duped, or do you speak up and shout the truth to the world? I gave Mitnick an opportunity to apologize. Instead, he went beserk and paranoid. Apologizing never means you have to say your sorry? Whoops, that's from "Love Story"...Apologizing means you have the ability to stand back and see that you were wrong, and you have the guts to admit it. I gave Carrie the same chance, and she brazenly refused. Now Kimmy, you go take your MEDS or whatever you need to calm down. 
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