Any Fitness folks out there

[JR]

Originally posted by JR@Aug 21 2003, 04:50 AM
i have a question.

can you point to any peer reviewed and credible medical study that shows that taking HGH is effective and safe?

I think my credibility is yet to be determined and certainly not by you Timon or JR who based on their previous posts that I made the time to check out are cynics and seem like your stereotypical keyboard tough guys in my experiences those types are much nicer in person.

fair enough. if it will make you feel better, i can kick the living shit out of you in vegas if you can find enough money for a bus ticket to get there.

Jr points out
1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.

True many studies end that way, As well as studies for Cancer, weight loss ertectile dysfunction etc,,,,
You see all bodies are different Doctors never give a definitive answer unless it has to do with a specific ex; put a cast on that broken bone
even than put a cast on it and we will check it in six weeks

we are not talking about "many studies" - we are talking about HGH. you can't find any large body of credible medical studies because there are none.

even more to the point, you can't find any studies that can say conclusively that there are no long term negative effects because relatively, this is a very new science and it would take 50-100 years to know the answer to that question.

so.... saying "i take it and i feel better today" - is no different than saying "i snort cocaine and feel great" or "i am taking double the recommended doses of steroids and insulin injections and i am seeing tremendous gains"

the fact is, you can also be destroying yourself at the same time. you CAN'T prove thats not true.

So what is solid "evidence" I think the testomonials of people who use and get results (good or bad) HGH is a perscription you have to have a medical exam before recieving any treatment

some people get good temporary results from smoking crack. so what?

2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*

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Well There are a few people who sell real HGH on the internet and I am sure there will be plenty more as the buzz gets bigger. I dont sell a spray so why mention it. Again I see the Docs/Scientists/Authors who right books and spend their lives dedicated to antiaging (who dont sell growth)
know less than JR. I am sorry please do not be offended but I trust their opinion more than I do yours

i see books by people dedicated to studying Bigfoot, Lochness Monster and UFO's. so what? its hardly conclusive proof of anything. right?

3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.

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You are correct please if you decide to pursue any physical activity from dieting to fucking a stranger get a medical opinion or wear a rubber.

ok. so i am correct. you can tweak with your hormones and the list of things that can go wrong are WELL documented thanks to bodybuilders in the last 50 years. the health risks are many. they are proven.

If you have a stolen graphic on yourwebsite fire your designer thats what I did!

what do you mean "fire your designer" - you have a guy working for you and he does not have the photoshop skills of a 10 year old and you had to fire him? doesn't make sense. looked like you had no money and you took a screenshot of the flash animation of www.phong.com and tried to make a website from it.

So JR you keyboard tough guy what do you sell oh yea you pimp young chicks to do lude acts with strangers and that keeps then mentally sound and they retire young and rich? Snake oil dont throw stones you might not like the window you break

this is an adult webmaster board. where did you think you were... www.people-who-believe-anything.com?