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Old 01-22-2003   #1
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Hey all,

Pleasure Labs is growing fast, expanding, and we're making some hires. Right now we're looking for a programmer. Check the link below if interested in the details.

http://www.pleasurelabs.com/webmasters/pro...rogrammer1.html

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Hey all,

Pleasure Labs is growing fast, expanding, and we're making some hires. Right now we're looking for a programmer. Check the link below if interested in the details.

http://www.pleasurelabs.com/webmasters/pro...rogrammer1.html
Why central florida? Are you move there?

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Why central florida? Are you move there?

Just curious.

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Weeeeellll - nothing there about being able to program a VCR....I guess I'm out of luck
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Hire me and I'll help you find one
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Hire me and I'll help you find one
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No offense, I don't even know you, but are you looking for a programmer or a hobbyist? :P
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No offense, I don't even know you,

always a good idea to find out who your being a smartass to BEFORE your a smartass



Colin is actually one of those really violent people ... he always beats someone up at internext and last time he put the guy in hospital ;-/
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Cj,

You're right, I will probably get into some trouble because I just call 'em as I see 'em.

When I see things like "We are looking for a hobbyist that loves to program", I read that as "We don't want to pay you the $100/hour your worth".

Now, I do not know Colin, he may be a great guy, that is why I prefaced my post with the "No offense" deal. When I get to know him better I will be more straight forward. At this point I want to be at least halfway respectful. It is a hard line to walk. What I really want to say is "Dude? Do you want a fucking programer or a fucking hobbyist? Programmers make money, hobbyist collect coins!". That is what I would say to someone I knew better . . .
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plugger, can I ask you .... have you ever employed a programmer?

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You're right, I will probably get into some trouble because I just call 'em as I see 'em.
i've never understood why anyone uses this as a character advantage or mentions it as a 'personal quality' ... if you DIDN'T 'call it as you see it' it would make you a liar/fraud/weak .... or as we say in oz, a big fucking pussy

so all you really said there is 'i'm not a big fucking pussy'

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When I see things like "We are looking for a hobbyist that loves to program", I read that as "We don't want to pay you the $100/hour your worth".
'hobbiest' is a way of saying 'we want someone who really loves what they do' ... why? the best programmers (or employees of any kind for that matter) are the ones who love their job to the point that they still do it even outside of work hours ... in the end, most hobbyists can end up being paid a lot more due to their level of commitment.

my programmer is a hobbyist, he fucking rocks. he can build anything i ask him to ... why? because he loves finding out how ....

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Now, I do not know Colin, he may be a great guy, that is why I prefaced my post with the "No offense" deal. When I get to know him better I will be more straight forward. At this point I want to be at least halfway respectful. It is a hard line to walk. What I really want to say is "Dude? Do you want a fucking programer or a fucking hobbyist? Programmers make money, hobbyist collect coins!". That is what I would say to someone I knew better . . .
well, your first post was patronizing and condescending .... and now you say you wanted to be halfway respectful?

too late ;-)
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No offense, I don't even know you, but are you looking for a programmer or a hobbyist? :P
Plugger, anyone that starts a sentence with "no offense' probably means some.

Cj hit it RIGHT ON THE HEAD. Every word. All of it. I can't do any better and leave it at that.
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.NET eh?

My cup of tea

VBasic.NET

I prefer VB.NET over C# but to each his own.

They both can do the same exact thing becuase they both access the same Common Language Runtime....so its basically your coding preference.

Anyway, its cool you're looking for a .NET programmer.

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Im just curious .. Why .NET?

Have you seen the light?

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Yes, I have. I have 2 working for us right now, one predominately in C and the other in PHP/MySQL. I also do alot of programming myself.
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Programming is a passion of mine and I love doing it....but I would not expect to be paid $100.00 an hour as you suggested above.
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Im just curious .. Why .NET?

Have you seen the light?

That's what the eggheads decided on.

I to their expertise.



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Eric,

I love programming too. I only know perl though and no expert at all. I create models/simulations of all kinds of whacked out things such as simulating the Oprano football pool or modeling various aspects of ideal economies and seeing what kind of income distributions appear.

I chose perl because it's quick and dirty.
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I would love to do a lot more .NET programming....still trying to convince the guys that .NET kicks more ass than all other options

No one wants to hear it though.
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And of course I like the guy above who made all this possible.
You must be talkin' about Serge?
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$100 per hour? Damn, I can get a whole fleet of programmers in India for that and they meet and exceed deadlines...
I'm to the point of giving up on "programmers" and just grabbing a couple college kids out of India....

Am I the only one who's had problems getting things done with "programmers"? Everyone knows I'm the worst at hitting deadlines, but it's because of my extremely adening dependence upon "programmers"...if only I had become one....

note, this wasn't directed at Plugger, just venting my feelings on programmers in general...and yes, I've been dealing with "real" programmers and not just "hobbyists"

...and if I can find that rare programmer that can enable me to smash someone in the face with a brick via computer, I'll sign over what's left of my blackened soul..........
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I love those programmers from India, Turkey, etc.

Some of the best ones I have found out there, and tons cheapers then our programmers..


global economy I guess
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When I did consulting my rate was $1250/day plus expenses. I was booked for months in advance because I got things done ahead of schedule and delivered what the client wanted. Now I find myself employing programmers and I can understand why good ones get top dollar. Most of the ones I have dealt with lately have zero personality, want to do everything their way (not the way I want it done), don't have a clue how to write modular code, work when they feel like it, disappear for weeks at a time, and are for the most part very unprofessional. My last project the programmer promised delivery in a week. 2 months later a got a pile of crap that was so cludgy it was rediculous and it didn't do 3/4 of the things I put in the spec. I ended up firing the guy and writing it myself. Having been a programmer/analyst for nearly 20 years it is embarrassing how unprofessional many of my colleagues are.
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...and if I can find that rare programmer that can enable me to smash someone in the face with a brick via computer, I'll sign over what's left of my blackened soul..........
SykkBoy makes me laugh...this entire thread was worth reading because of his statement...
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Most of the ones I have dealt with lately have zero personality, want to do everything their way (not the way I want it done), don't have a clue how to write modular code, work when they feel like it, disappear for weeks at a time, and are for the most part very unprofessional. My last project the programmer promised delivery in a week. 2 months later a got a pile of crap that was so cludgy it was rediculous and it didn't do 3/4 of the things I put in the spec.
Wow - reading that, it's scary how close programmers are to construction guys in metro Atlanta
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When I did consulting my rate was $1250/day plus expenses. I was booked for months in advance because I got things done ahead of schedule and delivered what the client wanted. Now I find myself employing programmers and I can understand why good ones get top dollar. Most of the ones I have dealt with lately have zero personality, want to do everything their way (not the way I want it done), don't have a clue how to write modular code, work when they feel like it, disappear for weeks at a time, and are for the most part very unprofessional. My last project the programmer promised delivery in a week. 2 months later a got a pile of crap that was so cludgy it was rediculous and it didn't do 3/4 of the things I put in the spec. I ended up firing the guy and writing it myself. Having been a programmer/analyst for nearly 20 years it is embarrassing how unprofessional many of my colleagues are.
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Sykk,

I love those programmers from India, Turkey, etc.

Some of the best ones I have found out there, and tons cheapers then our programmers..


global economy I guess :)
Yup
and it's not even so much that they'll work cheaper...they just seem to work better.....
I have actually had a few good experiences with programmers, but most of those guys are too busy to get to me...hehehehe
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and if I can find that rare programmer that can enable me to smash someone in the face with a brick via computer, I'll sign over what's left of my blackened soul..........
I have the very fellow...Anthony

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Thanks, I did the backend and Buzz did the front end

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We would love to get you feeds set up . . .
Date Hits Number of Sales Sales
2003-01-16 1 0 $0.00
2003-01-17 57 2 $49.90
2003-01-18 31 1 $29.95
2003-01-19 42 1 $29.95
2003-01-20 57 0 $0.00
2003-01-21 52 0 $0.00
2003-01-22 47 0 $0.00
2003-01-23 76 2 $39.90
2003-01-24 3 0 $0.00
Total Hits: 366 Raw Sales: $149.70


FUCK COLIN!! 3 days without a sale!!! what's going on!!!!

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i put these live on the 17th ... at the bottom of the live shows page in the members area ... looks like its a hit so far!!

not that i'm surprised, it was the same kinda conversions from inside sexhit members areas. not sure how you do it colin, but keep doing it!!
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You??? Nawwwwww!!!!!!!!!

Btw, Sykkboy, I need that article you promised me on "Will These 4Free Programs Be a Flash in the Pan?" for the next issue of the Condom Chronicles!!

Hurry up, Nick and Meat are getting my mudda fucking ass again about those blank pages with your name on 'em!!

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Pearl of the year nomination!!!!


Btw, seriously, if you need some good programming done, Sykk, hit me up.




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2003-01-24 3 0 $0.00
Total Hits: 366 Raw Sales: $149.70
Its all JR's doing! I have no idea what his magic formula is. *wink wink*

I just shake hands, buy drinks, and get shipped of to webmaster conferences while he slaves and tolls *cough* looking after the girls.
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Sykkboy, that one is a gem. You like to smash us over our collective heads with words sometimes. Beautiful.

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Programmers are odd balls. In the past 6 years I’ve dealt with so many damn flaky ass programmers I can chew my tongue. It doesn’t matter what you pay them. If you do find a good one he’s book no matter his price.

In this industry it’s all about performance. I can hire designer dirt cheap & they may even be good but then I’ve got to baby-sit his ass and play hurry up and wait. Often I’ll pay more to have less hassle.

I’d love to find a programmer that does the job and finishes it without a fucking hassle.

Colin are you hiring someone full time?
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