Success In Non-adult World.

Hell Puppy · 11-22-2002

I think you'll find that most of the people who have made money in mainstream haven't done it by building mainstream websites as such. Instead the money is in services and similar (hosting and domain registrations being examples already mentioned). There are exceptions of course. But so far the mainstream players have been too clueless to have a viable advertising revenue model that is profitable for all involved. Subscription models also haven't met with a great deal of success in mainstream so far.

I also see several of us have learned painful lessons about choosing partners. I made the mistake of partnering up with some mainstream guys who had experience playing the VC game with startups and raising millions of dollars. I still have trouble sitting down from that one.

The mentality bred into adult webmasters if they've been around a while is build, execute and make money. If it doesn't make money, dont do it. If it does make money, do it over and over again. And milk it for all it's worth while that money is coming in. These mainstream VC guys did not work that way. They'd rather pitch their business plans, wine and dine investors, have lots of meetings and basically do everything but sit down and make it happen. Eventually funding runs out, the whole startup is insolvent and you're dead as you do not have a viable revenue stream.

Maybe they're not all that way, but all of the ones I've encountered are morons. I learned a lot about how these guys move money, etc. I also learned a lot about how to sniff out the guys who wanna execute and the guys who just wanna play the game. I also learned why so many dotcoms became dot bombs.

I've had some mainstream successes, but it is mostly leveraging services and resources used primarily for adult. My company has provided tech services and solutions to many mainstreamers. We dont tout that we learned those skills from having to bullet proof adult projects against hellacious traffic, scammers, cheaters, etc, but the mainstreamers are usually dazzled at how solid and reliable our solutions are and how fast we can make them happen.

And we have done a few mainstream sites that have enjoyed some success. Again success being relative... They meet the goals of their individual business plans, get publicity and have good traffic, but I'd hate to have to use them to try to make payroll anytime soon.

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11-22-2002	#1
Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	I think you'll find that most of the people who have made money in mainstream haven't done it by building mainstream websites as such. Instead the money is in services and similar (hosting and domain registrations being examples already mentioned). There are exceptions of course. But so far the mainstream players have been too clueless to have a viable advertising revenue model that is profitable for all involved. Subscription models also haven't met with a great deal of success in mainstream so far. I also see several of us have learned painful lessons about choosing partners. I made the mistake of partnering up with some mainstream guys who had experience playing the VC game with startups and raising millions of dollars. I still have trouble sitting down from that one. The mentality bred into adult webmasters if they've been around a while is build, execute and make money. If it doesn't make money, dont do it. If it does make money, do it over and over again. And milk it for all it's worth while that money is coming in. These mainstream VC guys did not work that way. They'd rather pitch their business plans, wine and dine investors, have lots of meetings and basically do everything but sit down and make it happen. Eventually funding runs out, the whole startup is insolvent and you're dead as you do not have a viable revenue stream. Maybe they're not all that way, but all of the ones I've encountered are morons. I learned a lot about how these guys move money, etc. I also learned a lot about how to sniff out the guys who wanna execute and the guys who just wanna play the game. I also learned why so many dotcoms became dot bombs. I've had some mainstream successes, but it is mostly leveraging services and resources used primarily for adult. My company has provided tech services and solutions to many mainstreamers. We dont tout that we learned those skills from having to bullet proof adult projects against hellacious traffic, scammers, cheaters, etc, but the mainstreamers are usually dazzled at how solid and reliable our solutions are and how fast we can make them happen. And we have done a few mainstream sites that have enjoyed some success. Again success being relative... They meet the goals of their individual business plans, get publicity and have good traffic, but I'd hate to have to use them to try to make payroll anytime soon.