Tomin, MikeAi and the rest of you facetious bastar

JR · 06-03-2005

if you break the law, you go to jail. most people worried about such laws and their implications are those who regularly break them or intend to. that is not societies problem... that is your problem. few are going to sympathize with someone who regularly breaks the law, complaining about the consequences.

the humorous thing and interesting paradox about disscussions on penalties for drug related crimes or the argument for legalization of marijuana is that no one will take your side in the argument for obvious reasons. its like trying to get people to agree that penalties for pedophilia should be litghtened. its not likely to happen. like drug arguments, the majority of people do not want to be associated with either that behavior or those people that defend it. most people are not going to take a public stand on the side of drug users because they dont want to be associated with it. why would they? twisting the argument around by posting crime stats, medical facts or how hemp makes great rope is never going to make the average mother of 3 say "you know what? you're right! i dont care if my kids buy marijuana and smokes it everyday".

as once said by Jack Trout: "in marketing, perception IS the reality" - this is the problem you will always face in your "fight"... and extraneous arguments such as "bush is an asshole" or "the government is coming to get you" have no relation to the common perceptions about marijuana, its use and the perceptions of those who regularly use it.

just my 2 cents.

i really enjoy these conversations because it is a valid discussion and the arguements for the legalization of marijuana are valid. i also admit that when Timon challenged me to prove to him that marijuana was bad, i couldn't. i expected to readily find overwhelming medical evidence and couldn't - which only served to intrigue me more.

that being said, i think that the fight is not about rights, law, medical use etc but about perceptions. and i think that changing the perceptions about the average, daily pot smoker as a slow, lazy, innept slacker is going to be nearly impossible.
... and that is the real battle that should be fought if anyone wants change.

06-03-2005	#11
JR Members The global leader in pay-per-view AEBN Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: in my chair Posts: 3,320	if you break the law, you go to jail. most people worried about such laws and their implications are those who regularly break them or intend to. that is not societies problem... that is your problem. few are going to sympathize with someone who regularly breaks the law, complaining about the consequences. the humorous thing and interesting paradox about disscussions on penalties for drug related crimes or the argument for legalization of marijuana is that no one will take your side in the argument for obvious reasons. its like trying to get people to agree that penalties for pedophilia should be litghtened. its not likely to happen. like drug arguments, the majority of people do not want to be associated with either that behavior or those people that defend it. most people are not going to take a public stand on the side of drug users because they dont want to be associated with it. why would they? twisting the argument around by posting crime stats, medical facts or how hemp makes great rope is never going to make the average mother of 3 say "you know what? you're right! i dont care if my kids buy marijuana and smokes it everyday". as once said by Jack Trout: "in marketing, perception IS the reality" - this is the problem you will always face in your "fight"... and extraneous arguments such as "bush is an asshole" or "the government is coming to get you" have no relation to the common perceptions about marijuana, its use and the perceptions of those who regularly use it. just my 2 cents. i really enjoy these conversations because it is a valid discussion and the arguements for the legalization of marijuana are valid. i also admit that when Timon challenged me to prove to him that marijuana was bad, i couldn't. i expected to readily find overwhelming medical evidence and couldn't - which only served to intrigue me more. that being said, i think that the fight is not about rights, law, medical use etc but about perceptions. and i think that changing the perceptions about the average, daily pot smoker as a slow, lazy, innept slacker is going to be nearly impossible. ... and that is the real battle that should be fought if anyone wants change. __________________