Diabolic gets an FBI visit - first enforcement of 2257.. who's next?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Dude, you need to get over the 2257 issue and look at the broader picture. No, of course they aren't going to ask for a toon's ID, but they sure as hell will say that a toon depicting a chick getting fucked in the ass by a monster cock is obscene, toon or not, and the part to be concerned about is if somemone thinks that the female in your toon looks too young.

My point about Red Rose is that the lady was arrested for obscenity (not 2257) over an erotic story that described incest and sex with a minor. No real humans were involved, obviously, but she was arrested none-the-less. My apologies for linking to another board but I can't find the story any place else right now. http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...ticle&sid=9839

When I say you're being naive, I'm referring to your apparent belief that the latest bill to amend 2257, or any other proposed bill that has been written about lately, has anything to do with stopping CP, when in reality, it's just part of an ongoing witch hunt to eliminate porn from the Internet. And that's all forms of pornography, including obscene toons and anime.

FSC stands for the Free Speech Coalition. http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/ Anyone that is a 'secondary producer' and not also a 'primary producer' that joins the FSC, will be protected from any inspections by an injunction.

p.s. I hope you understand that I'm not saying that I personally think there is anything wrong with erotic toons and stories -- anymore than I believe there is anything wrong with any form of erotica, as long as it's legal -- I'm just pointing out that producing any form of erotica, even if it doesn't depict actual people, is not completely safe.

Nothing is safe if it can't be controlled by the powers that be. The only reasons online porn are being attacked are:

1.) Fucked up webmaster criminals ripping people off.
2.) People making lots of money who otherwise would have been piss broke trying to make a living in the completely disfunctional workaday system already established thus thwarting the control of the ruling classes.
3.) Irresponsible parents, webmasters etc. all not taking into account the ramifications of what they do.
4.) People blaming porn on their crimes or blaming porn for the source of criminal behavior. I don't remember such mass murderers like Josep Stalin or Hitler having a Bangbros pass. It's bullshit but something has to be blamed for our irresponsibilty to straighten out our own problems.

It's about excuses. I got into doing this as a protest. Reason being the industries I was in, animation and comics were run by corporate gangsters that the cops and federal government were too cowardly to prosecute. We had to battle them OURSELVES while the people we elected and paid to do the job sat back and took kickbacks. Got so bad even the federal court judges admonished the bad guys in court after they fucked up a multibillion dollar company and STILL the authorities sat on their asses.

It's about control. The Internet was a wild card that made the wrong people a fuckload of money. The status quo got overturned and now the elite who run this world have to catch up but they can't unless they use laws to harrass and punish those who don't fall in line. They can't have the 'peasant class' dining at fine restaurants or joining the country club.

It's about the controll of the ruling class that got way out of hand when people found out they could use computers to gain major wealth and influence politics and give people alternate viewpoints and facts thus breaking the mind contol stranglehold the major industries had on us.

NY Times and other major newspapers are DYING because we don't need them to get our info anymore. TV News is barely hanging on. If some shit jumps off anywhere in the world we can just get on a chat line and find out for ourselves.

What's obscene to one guy may be funny to another. It's often used vindictively, yet even then when used that way it always backfires.

Witch hunt for porn? Nah, more like a witch hunt for people who rip people off or who won't tow the line.