I think Joee is home by now

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jun 3 2004, 04:15 PM
You cannot change people. To believe that you have the kind of control over a person that you can actually make them change is a very egotistical view.

Only a person themselves can make changes in their lives.

You can talk to them till you are blue in the face, you can check them in and out of rehab every week, you can pay off their gambling debts and help give them a new start, you can help them destroy all the alcohol in their reach and then drive them back and forth to AA 7 nights a week and it still will not matter a fucking hoot.

Hope JoeE comes through this ok. I don't know him, I just know of him what I have read so I have no real feelings towards him one way or another. However, he is a human being and has apparently had problems before, the kind that money can't cure, and I wish that on noone.

sarettah you got it pretty much 100% correct.

And that's coming from a person that has been there.

The only person that can help JoeE is JoeE no if ands or buts.

I think what Mike is saying is that people enabled this man.
that's just as bad as giving a drunk booze.

What people like this will do, if you are not very carefull is end up
in the gutter and take you right along with them.