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Guess what sarettah I've been around for longer than a couple weeks in this biz and I'm very familiar with this situation. I just reserve my judgements for actual facts, rather than what each person says. It's best to do it that way in the majority of all cases. So unless you know personally and heard the conversations between Joe and Erik then I'm guessing you've formed your opinion off of board statements just like everyone else and to me personally that's poor judgement. Believe me if it's proven by a settlement or court verdict that one of the guys is lying then I will be more than happy to jump on and kick some ass with my real feelings, but better judgement and experience always tells me to stick with facts and not pick a side on opinion.