Does this cross the line?

[softball]

It does for me. Some people will do anything for money......Jennidahling is pitching it around



http://theatersluts.com/video/theater_celeste_promo.wmv

[Cleo]

WTF!!!

Yeah I would say getting that tattoo crosses the line. Was she on drugs or something?

[Toby]

That pretty much sums up the whole mentality behind that program.

[Evil Chris]

What's the problem with it? If she wants a silly tattoo, then that's her dumb choice.
Wait... what's at issue here? The tattoo? Or the fact that D rented out a movie theatre? The sex is actually pretty good content which I'm sure sells well.

I was expecting to be shocked by the clip.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

What's the problem with it? If she wants a silly tattoo, then that's her dumb choice.

What's wrong with it? Encouraging her to make a dumb choice, for the sake of making some short term profit.

I hope she got paid very well for that, although I doubt that she did. Getting tattoos removed is expensive and some day she's going to want that gone.

[Peedy]

Originally Posted by Toby

What's wrong with it? Encouraging her to make a dumb choice, for the sake of making some short term profit.

I hope she got paid very well for that, although I doubt that she did. Getting tattoos removed is expensive and some day she's going to want that gone.

I see your point Toby. While I agree somewhat, IF she was entirely sober and made that choice its all on her. People do stupid shit for money all the time.

[gonzo]

Probably draws a little local heat given the history there.

That being said... I know it sells well. My friends at Kandi Peach have been selling gritty DVDs like that for 10 years.

Not of girls getting tattoos but having raw sex like that and enjoying it.
And if you look at her other tattoos it could be argued that shes made some poor choices all on her own.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

What's the problem with it? If she wants a silly tattoo, then that's her dumb choice.
Wait... what's at issue here? The tattoo? Or the fact that D rented out a movie theatre? The sex is actually pretty good content which I'm sure sells well.

I was expecting to be shocked by the clip.

I am sure it sells well. So does crack and junk. That was a kid that is scarred for life. I would have to be so hard up to sell that shit. No I take that back. I would rather be on welfare. I would never promote that crap. I will leave it up to guys like you and Dirty D.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Probably draws a little local heat given the history there.

That being said... I know it sells well. My friends at Kandi Peach have been selling gritty DVDs like that for 10 years.

Not of girls getting tattoos but having raw sex like that and enjoying it.
And if you look at her other tattoos it could be argued that shes made some poor choices all on her own.

You could argue that. However, she is a kid no matter what her driver's license says. Could you promote that and hold your head high?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You could argue that. However, she is a kid no matter what her driver's license says. Could you promote that and hold your head high?

I dont.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I dont.

I know you don't and I never thought you would. It was a rhetorical question....lol

[Hell Puppy]

Would I do that to any model? Fuck no.

Would I promote it? Not my thing.

BUT...

I'm not much for protecting people from themselves. If she's sober, a legal adult, and got paid whatever she was promised, it's obvious she went into it knowing exactly what was going to happen. So that's her dumb ass, and she has no one to blame but herself.

[Evil Chris]

Oh come on.... You're getting uptight about a tattoo?

You guys should open up candy stores instead of being in this biz.
Oh wait, the potential for cavities might cross your line!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Oh come on.... You're getting uptight about a tattoo?

You guys should open up candy stores instead of being in this biz.
Oh wait, the potential for cavities might cross your line!

I like chicks with tattoos.

[miz_wright]

I'm not in love with the idea of the tattoo - but I've seen stupider things outside of this industry.

I actually kinda think the content itself is hot.

[DannyCox]

The theatre sex stuff does sell amazing well, and Dirty D actually does a good job with the content he produces. I think tattooing the girl may be over the line, but we just don't know the back story. We had a girl offer to tattoo our PornAudition domain on her...for free! (we didn't do it)

Not knowing what went on behind the scenes does limit my ability to properly comment. I really hate to say this, but we have dealt with many hundreds of similar girls over the years, and many are more than willing to do anything that is different. Some tend to come up with more bizarre ideas than we ever could.

[EmporerEJ]

Constantly amazes me....

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Oh come on.... You're getting uptight about a tattoo?

You guys should open up candy stores instead of being in this biz.
Oh wait, the potential for cavities might cross your line!

Oh wait, maybe we should sell crack in a candy store. There's a thought. Just because I sell dirty pictures for a living does not mean that I have some sort of license to do anything I feel would make money. Hell, maybe I should open a candy store because I don't like to see people abused. You sell that shit if you like, Chris.

[softball]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I'm not in love with the idea of the tattoo - but I've seen stupider things outside of this industry.

I actually kinda think the content itself is hot.

I have no problem with theatre sex and I agree with you it is hot.

[softball]

Here is JenniDahling s explanation after getting beat up on another board....

This girl in particular had a boyfriend who was a member and that's how she knew who Dirty D was. He shot her for a gloryhole girls scene and asked her to come back for a theater sluts shoot. That's when she came up with the idea to get tattooed before getting gangbanged.

deal......or.....no deal?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Here is JenniDahling's explanation... "...had a boyfriend who was a member..."

"had"? as in ex-bf? If so, I have to wonder if perhaps she was doing this to spite the ex?

Piss poor motivation for doing something so permanent, but she certainly wouldn't be the first to do something rash to spite an ex.

My issue isn't so much with her doing something stupid, but more with DirtyD taking advantage of an obvious poor choice to make a buck.

[sarettah]

I found absolutely no issue there. Jen did not see a problem either, in fact she said "good gimick".

Wonder if we can find someone that will Tatoo Weekend Jewelry across her back.

edited in: we also both expressed doubts as to the reality of the tattoo. Pretty easy thing to fake. Nonetheless, real or not, it's her body, not ours.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I found absolutely no issue there. Jen did not see a problem either, in fact she said "good gimick".

Wonder if we can find someone that will Tatoo Weekend Jewelry across her back.

edited in: we also both expressed doubts as to the reality of the tattoo. Pretty easy thing to fake. Nonetheless, real or not, it's her body, not ours.

You are such a freeking liberal......

[sunfunbill]

Here's my personal take on this. The girl is one stupid, airhead bitch that will regret all this real, real soon, if she's lucky enough to not be found dead from an OD or found in a dumpster.

The guy who put the tat on her has no feelings for who he screws with. He looks at her as an object to be used for the day and cares nothing about what his actions does to her.

BOTH will screw YOU over in a second, so both types you want to stay far away from. How you conduct biz is no different in porn than on wall street or anywhere else. Some are money hungry with no ethics who destroy everything around them until they crash and burn (and they always do).

Others have ethics and have a line as to what they will and will not do. It may take them longer to get where they want, but they WILL get there, and stay there much longer after the other type rots in jail or gets beat up by people he screwed over.

But what do I know!

[MRock]

Crazy thing to do by all parties involved ... she will have to live with it while "they" will laugh about it for years. Ooops, someones character is showing ...

[TheEnforcer]

I'm with Evil Chris and sarettah here cause I'm not seeing the big issue here.

Would I go that route with a model? No, I wouldn't. But as sarettah said, it's her body and she has every right to do that no matter how foolish I may think it is to do.

[Evil Chris]

Conclusion?

Rhetorical will argue with me until the cows come home but will agree with Liz immediately.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Would I go that route with a model? No, I wouldn't.

This isn't directed specifically at you, as several others have made similar statements in this discussion. But maybe you can explain this to me?

You consider that to be on the other side of a line you would not cross. But you have no problem with someone else, in this case DirtyD, crossing that same line.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Toby

This isn't directed specifically at you, as several others have made similar statements in this discussion. But maybe you can explain this to me?

You consider that to be on the other side of a line you would not cross. But you have no problem with someone else, in this case DirtyD, crossing that same line.

That's real easy to explain. Just because I wouldn't do something doesn't automatically mean that I want to forbid others from doing it. That's the mentality of the religious right wing who hate porn and such. As long as both parties involved agreed to it and did so clear headed and knowing what was involved that's their business, not mine. Also, given some of the shit that happens in this industry this issue barely registers as things I am/would be concerned with. I'm happy to say I think she's foolish to do it. s for DirtyD, I can see why he would as I have no doubt it appeals to their customers and if all parties involved acted with full knowledge who am i to say he shouldn't do it just because I wouldn't? Unless someone shows something different it's just a business transaction between two parties who agreed to the terms and carried them out and nothing about it warrants the severe outrage it's getting. I'll save that for much larger issues.

I don't think freedom is limited to what I am comfortable with. Freedom often means seeing and dealing with things you wouldn't do yourself. FAR too many people see it the other way around. That, quite frankly, is a HUGE problem in this country and leads to a lot of shitty laws and crappy court rulings that lead to the protections and guarantees afforded by the constitution to be severely weakened.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

That's real easy to explain. Just because I wouldn't do something doesn't automatically mean that I want to forbid others from doing it. That's the mentality of the religious right wing who hate porn and such. As long as both parties involved agreed to it and did so clear headed and knowing what was involved that's their business, not mine. Also, given some of the shit that happens in this industry this issue barely registers as things I am/would be concerned with. I'm happy to say I think she's foolish to do it. s for DirtyD, I can see why he would as I have no doubt it appeals to their customers and if all parties involved acted with full knowledge who am i to say he shouldn't do it just because I wouldn't? Unless someone shows something different it's just a business transaction between two parties who agreed to the terms and carried them out and nothing about it warrants the severe outrage it's getting. I'll save that for much larger issues.

I don't think freedom is limited to what I am comfortable with. Freedom often means seeing and dealing with things you wouldn't do yourself. FAR too many people see it the other way around. That, quite frankly, is a HUGE problem in this country and leads to a lot of shitty laws and crappy court rulings that lead to the protections and guarantees afforded by the constitution to be severely weakened.

I don't think the outrage is all that severe, relative to many other things I've seen discussed re: this biz. This has merely stimulated a debate.

Also, unlike the religious right I don't think anyone here is suggesting it should be forbidden. I just find it beyond what is reasonable for the sake of making a buck.

MRock nailed it earlier when he said, "someones character is showing."

[softball]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

That's real easy to explain. Just because I wouldn't do something doesn't automatically mean that I want to forbid others from doing it. That's the mentality of the religious right wing who hate porn and such. As long as both parties involved agreed to it and did so clear headed and knowing what was involved that's their business, not mine.

I respectfully disagree. This argument is a slippery slope. Taken to its extreme, freedom can be dangerous...

Victim of cannibal agreed to be eaten
On the evening of March 9, the two men went up to the bedroom in Meiwes' rambling timbered farmhouse. Mr Brandes swallowed 20 sleeping tablets and half a bottle of schnapps before Meiwes cut off Brandes' penis, with his agreement, and fried it for both of them to eat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003...ny.lukeharding

and both parties seemed to be clear headed before the schnapps and pills.....

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Conclusion?

Rhetorical will argue with me until the cows come home but will agree with Liz immediately.

Not true, though it may seem like that to you. But if that were the case, it would be because I disagree with you a whole lot and Liz has nothing to do with that.

[Notime]

I can only make decisions for myself, not for others.

[EmporerEJ]

Hey, while I think it's stupid for her to do it....
I'm wondering......can I get my trademark, "VirtualSexMachine.com" tattooed on some chic's private areas, or better, across her breasts, and shot on film?

I'm all for it. Where do I sign up?

Who am I to tell her how she can use her body?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I respectfully disagree. This argument is a slippery slope. Taken to its extreme, freedom can be dangerous...



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003...ny.lukeharding

and both parties seemed to be clear headed before the schnapps and pills.....

Sigh.. you compare cutting off your penis and eating it with someone else to getting a tattoo. Give me a break.

[softball]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Sigh.. you compare cutting off your penis and eating it with someone else to getting a tattoo. Give me a break.

So, what you are saying then, is freedom has its limits, or did I misinterpret that.

[TheEnforcer]

Ahh... the red herring comes out. Nowhere did I say freedom was absolute. Merely pointing out that people far too freely want to substitute their desire not to be offended for other people's freedom. And comparing cutting off your own dick and eating it to getting a tattoo is laughable on it's face. And the "slippery slope" argument is weak because it's nothing but an excuse to get rid of selective things you don't like.. just like the religious right wants to do with regular old everyday porn.

[softball]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Ahh... the red herring comes out. Nowhere did I say freedom was absolute. Merely pointing out that people far too freely want to substitute their desire not to be offended for other people's freedom. And comparing cutting off your own dick and eating it to getting a tattoo is laughable on it's face. And the "slippery slope" argument is weak because it's nothing but an excuse to get rid of selective things you don't like.. just like the religious right wants to do with regular old everyday porn.

What happened was between two consenting adults.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

What happened was between two consenting adults.

Again. You're comparing cutting off your own penis and eating it with a tattoo. That's laughable on it's face. It's reductio ad absurdum at it's finest.

[sarettah]

If someone wants t5o cut off their dick and allow someone else to eat it and the person eating it is not forced to but is willingly participating then let them.

As Ron White would say, "You can't fix stupid"

There are tons of things out there that I find morally repugnant but are legal so I don't participate in them personally but find no problem with making a buck off them. Liquor in particular comes to mind.

There are also tons of things out their that other people find morally repugnant but that I do participate in and I don't want them telling me I can't. Watching SouthPark and Family Guy come immediately to mind.

Then there are those things that we as a society have decided are so bad that you cannot participate in them or you face legal consequences and I will neither participate in them or condone them. Murder and rape come to mind.

And there are a ton of grey area things that are illegal but are not necessarilly bad but if you participate in them could cause legal issues but I participate in them anyway. Smoking pot comes to mind.


Getting Tattoos is legal and I do not find it morally repugnant, getting Tattoos on camera is legal and I see nothing morally repugnant there either. I see no problem with making a buck off of that.

I find cutting off your own dick as being morally repugnant although it may not actually be illegal. I find eating another person's cut off dick to be morally repugnant and again I do not know if it is illegal. I personally would probably not make a site making money off of this as it is not my style. But someone like Stile might use content like that and have no problem with it.

I only have to sleep with myself at night.

[softball]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Again. You're comparing cutting off your own penis and eating it with a tattoo. That's laughable on it's face. It's reductio ad absurdum at it's finest.

No, I am just pointing out that this obviously crossed your line. You see, the tat crosses a lot of people's lines, just not yours. But there is a line that has been crossed. One man's stupid is another's repugnant.

[Cleo]

At least the penis eating, as unfucking bazaar as that was, wasn't done for financial gain.

At the end of the day everyone has to live with how their actions affect those around them. Personally I wouldn't be comfortable getting someone to tattoo something on their body, that they were most likely going to regret later, in order to sell memberships.

Karma, it's a bitch...

[Hell Puppy]

If someone wants to cut off their pee pee and eat it like a hot dog, I'm all for it, especially if they do it BEFORE they breed.

[Cleo]

I wonder if it tasted like chicken?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Cleo

I wonder if it tasted like chicken?

Krispy cream?

[gandalfuy]

I wouldn´t get that or anything similar.....but its her choice and no one else´s.

[vdc-Loki]

ehh a nice story for her to explain to her future ex-husband lol... does it cross the line? no but this does.....



-Loki-