AdultFriendFinder.com Fake Profile Class Action Lawsuit Investigation

[gonzo]

Wow Lars... who forced you to fake these profiles?

http://www.alexanderlaw.com/adultfri...FQ-ZHgodeS-rYw

[docholly]

As stated before, Karma--kinda like moi--is a bitch.

[pam]

What these people don't realize is many of those fake profiles are put up by adult webmasters who then put a bot in each chat room and spam other dating sites. One does it daily and the sponsor does not cancel his account, just says, "I'll talk to him."

I've also talked to a lot of men who say virtually all the women they email are just escorts and respond with spam.

[Hell Puppy]

So would you consider loading a dating site with bogus profiles, misleading customers and generally not delivering what is promised to be unethical?

[sudden]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

So would you consider loading a dating site with bogus profiles, misleading customers and generally not delivering what is promised to be unethical?

I think a lot of the bogus profiles aren't actually set up by AFF themselves, but rather spammers etc. Some may be by AFF, and as far as they go (if there are any of that kind), is it an honest thing to do? No. Unethical? Perhaps. Do I care? Not really.

[pam]

Originally Posted by sudden

I think a lot of the bogus profiles aren't actually set up by AFF themselves, but rather spammers etc. Some may be by AFF, and as far as they go (if there are any of that kind), is it an honest thing to do? No. Unethical? Perhaps. Do I care? Not really.

Do you promote them? If so, then you should care, because bogus profiles equals chargebacks equals no money for you

[sudden]

Originally Posted by pam

Do you promote them? If so, then you should care, because bogus profiles equals chargebacks equals no money for you

I dont promote them no, but bogus profiles (good ones) surely also equals mores sales, far more so than the chargeback increase. If the money made each month was more with AFF than another dating site, then why would I care? They can obviously balance the chargeback volume as they're still in business.

[Peaches]

Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models.

Ive known for quite sometime where your values lie.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ive known for quite sometime where your values lie.

Really? Where do they lie?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Really? Where do they lie?

"To thyself be true"

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

"To thyself be true"

You didn't answer my question. What exactly do you think I've done that's immoral or unethical? Or if you don't think I do things that are immoral or unethical, then state that. Playing silly word games doesn't appeal to me.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

You didn't answer my question. What exactly do you think I've done that's immoral or unethical? Or if you don't think I do things that are immoral or unethical, then state that. Playing silly word games doesn't appeal to me.

Picking fights with someone thats fucked off doesnt appeal to me either.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Picking fights with someone thats fucked off doesnt appeal to me either.

Still haven't answered my question. I'm not trying to pick a fight - I merely stated my opinions and stated them quite straightforward. I would appreciate the same from you. Is it possible? If I've done something unethical or immoral, I would like to know what it is. I'm not aware of anything and if needed, I would clarify any misperceptions you might have.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models.

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

Every single girl in a paypercall room was a "bogus chick", lol. Most were grandmothers who needed some extra income and would literally be knitting baby booties while talking on the phone. It's called "fantasy" and no one in porn hasn't sold it. How many "teens" are over 19? Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Mish]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wow Lars... who forced you to fake these profiles?

http://www.alexanderlaw.com/adultfri...FQ-ZHgodeS-rYw

And also - what's the deal with Zango?? Lars was getting slammed for using them as well.

[Inabon]

wait a minute did i miss something here?

you mean to tell me that these perverts lonely MF's pay for a membership upgrade and expect real people

please give me a fucking break.

lets see i am going to sue them because i can not find a friend in the real world and i expect to get a hot looking chick online to visit me and fuck me mmmmm and all for under 30 bucks?

hello fly down to panama and get a 30 buck hooker and get laid and forget about it.

jeeez.

industry? fuck.....

the adult industry is all about fantasy one more way of getting some $$$ because of some sick fuck.

i bet the lawsuit wont fly.

in fact this is kind of stupid you are selling sign ups to what? sites that show pictures of other people fucking which gives the sick fucks a way to jerk off and continue with their fantasy.

what is the difference of having a "dating" site that has a shitload of hot fake chicks and a few good ones. the fantasy here is to chat with people or to actually fuck?? wouldn't that be prostitution?

better luck at a redneck bar

peace

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I could you feel bogus chicks arent unethical? This is one of the reasons our industry is so fucked up short term thinkers.

Example 1.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Mish@LVNCash

And also - what's the deal with Zango?? Lars was getting slammed for using them as well.

Do you fake or seed profiles on LVNCash in order to make the site more appealing to surfers?

Adult Date Link has said that they do not. Surfers seem to think that AFF does. And a few people on here think thats ok.

Id like to hear your stance on this. Does LVNCash consider themselves a cam site or a dating site?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Inabon

wait a minute did i miss something here?

you mean to tell me that these perverts lonely MF's pay for a membership upgrade and expect real people

please give me a fucking break.

lets see i am going to sue them because i can not find a friend in the real world and i expect to get a hot looking chick online to visit me and fuck me mmmmm and all for under 30 bucks?

hello fly down to panama and get a 30 buck hooker and get laid and forget about it.

jeeez.

industry? fuck.....

the adult industry is all about fantasy one more way of getting some $$$ because of some sick fuck.

i bet the lawsuit wont fly.

in fact this is kind of stupid you are selling sign ups to what? sites that show pictures of other people fucking which gives the sick fucks a way to jerk off and continue with their fantasy.

what is the difference of having a "dating" site that has a shitload of hot fake chicks and a few good ones. the fantasy here is to chat with people or to actually fuck?? wouldn't that be prostitution?

better luck at a redneck bar

peace

Pedro are you running dating sites or are you still strictly hosting?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

Excuse me , just because I work in porn doesnt mean I cant run my business with integrity and not screw customers. What bullshit because your in porn its ok to be a cheat lol.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

Excuse me , just because I work in porn doesnt mean I cant run my business with integrity and not screw customers. What bullshit because your in porn its ok to be a cheat lol.

How is that cheating, Tony? The guys wanted a girl to talk dirty to them so they could bust a nut. That's EXACTLY what they got.

I guess you've never touched up pictures of your wife - geeze, that would cheating, lol.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Example 1.

Feel free to list more. I have to admit this is the first time I've been called unethical or immoral in business or personally. At least when I say something against, I back it up with proof and don't play word games.

Actually, don't sweat it - ciao!

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

How is that cheating, Tony? The guys wanted a girl to talk dirty to them so they could bust a nut. That's EXACTLY what they got.

I guess you've never touched up pictures of your wife - geeze, that would cheating, lol.

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

Pssssst - Tony: They were ALL bogus! Yep, that's right, the girls who answered 900 number calls were NOT models, they weren't retired porn stars, most weren't even slightly attractive. Here's another bit of "cheating": they didn't cum when they said they were cumming.

Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

(honestly, I thought anyone who's in this biz knew this.....)

[sudden]

Originally Posted by tony404

if someone went into a pay per talk chatting room under the impression these were real girls,he had a possibility with thats cheating. If they understood its all fantasy thats different. You used the one bogus not me.

Are you seriously this retarded, or just good at playing retarded?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Actually, don't sweat it - ciao!

Im not.

[Hell Puppy]

No easy answers here.

Where's the line between "fantasy" and outright "deception"?

Where's the line between aggressive "marketing" and "fraud"?

For me, it's in the underlying attitude and approach. I'm not trying to separate the surfer at all costs and willing to do absolutely anything I can get away with in order to do it. I am aggressive, but I do deliver what I advertise, and I do treat them with respect as any business should do a paying customer.

The results? Customer acquisition has become tougher and tougher as surfers get more and more savvy from being burned. It costs more and more to get a new paying customer. Meanwhile, I've focused on keeping the customers I have over getting new ones since 1997. It's easier to keep one than to get a new one in many businesses, our's is no different. It's worked well for me.

Most guys who run what we would've used to call "amateur" sites will tell you the same thing. Treat 'em right and they're loyal to a fault. You can have big membership numbers without having to feed 100s of new signups a day just to fight the churn.

However, the industry in general attracts people who dont really fit anywhere else and are lured by an easy dollar. Thus you get a lot of people who'd rather take a short cut, fleece the sheep for all they're worth and never worry about tomorrow or where the next buck is coming from. Just get all you can today at all costs. Now just because there are so many people in the biz with that attitude, does that make it right or acceptable? To me, no.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Inabon

wait a minute did i miss something here?

you mean to tell me that these perverts lonely MF's pay for a membership upgrade and expect real people

please give me a fucking break.

lets see i am going to sue them because i can not find a friend in the real world and i expect to get a hot looking chick online to visit me and fuck me mmmmm and all for under 30 bucks?

hello fly down to panama and get a 30 buck hooker and get laid and forget about it.

jeeez.

industry? fuck.....

the adult industry is all about fantasy one more way of getting some $$$ because of some sick fuck.

i bet the lawsuit wont fly.

in fact this is kind of stupid you are selling sign ups to what? sites that show pictures of other people fucking which gives the sick fucks a way to jerk off and continue with their fantasy.

what is the difference of having a "dating" site that has a shitload of hot fake chicks and a few good ones. the fantasy here is to chat with people or to actually fuck?? wouldn't that be prostitution?

better luck at a redneck bar

peace

He's absolutely right Tha shit ain't gona fly in any fucking court, plus alot people who post profile are doing it independant performer or performing a fucking fantasy. "So you think I'll get sued by some sheep organization because I like rolepaying & makebelieve I fuck sheep?????"

I DON"T FUCKING THING SO !!!

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

However, the industry in general attracts people who dont really fit anywhere else and are lured by an easy dollar. Thus you get a lot of people who'd rather take a short cut, fleece the sheep for all they're worth and never worry about tomorrow or where the next buck is coming from. Just get all you can today at all costs. Now just because there are so many people in the biz with that attitude, does that make it right or acceptable? To me, no.

I think I read this paragragh over about four times, "And NO, it's not because the word sheep is in there". lol

It was because I truly need to ask why people feel the need to come & gut what they can, then run? leaving the rest of the industry to deal with the mess they left behind? The only thoughts I could come up with was "fear"?

[Rcourt64]

I"m thinking where does one draw the line on deception?
Is it when you make someone spend money thinking they're getting something they paid for? and it was not what it all seemed that you presented?

So in other words..???? This following ad is deceptive because I didn't get any rainbow with my candy?


I'm being told here I'd taste a rainbow if I bought this and tasted it?

Was that deseptive? or was that advertising?
But for some reason there selling millions of bags a day.

People create profiles along the same concept, "to create an illusion or fantasy that would attract people to them, whether it be for profit, pleasure or fun. People buy cause they intrigued. Not because there's really a rainbow inside the bag.

[sarah_webinc]

can't be as bad as myspace where nearly every woman is a hooker

[Inabon]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Pedro are you running dating sites or are you still strictly hosting?

thats for me to know and for you to find out LOL

hi by the way LOL

it is not what i do what's important you are all targeting a site because it has fake profiles when there are lots of other businesses adult and non adult that do the same.

shit even food chains do the same you see a juicy burger on tv and get a cheese greasy one at the drive through you can complain yeah and you may get something it is a tangible good

but a dating site?? what's tangible about it? just cancel your membership you did not get what you wanted.

you guys know about it you go to a restaurant taste the food if it is shitty complain... maybe get a refund and just never go there anymore.


just to another way to agree with rcourt64

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

No easy answers here.

Where's the line between "fantasy" and outright "deception"?

Where's the line between aggressive "marketing" and "fraud"?

Exactly. That line in this business can often be quite wide and grey. The fake profiles can be, and often are, from webmasters looking to spam shit. Don't know if AFF puts some in themselves or not. What I've seen and heard of at other places that is outright over the line are the fake e-mails sent out to lure people in as members or bring them back as members. I've never heard of or seen AFF do something like that.

[TheEnforcer]

Oh, and the phone sex stuff that was being discussed isn't unethical in my book. You're selling a fantasy for a guy to whack off to using his ears and imagination.

[sudden]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Oh, and the phone sex stuff that was being discussed isn't unethical in my book. You're selling a fantasy for a guy to whack off to using his ears and imagination.

Regardless of if its unethical or not, if you're a guy and don't know who operates phone sex numbers (that it's not actually the girls in the pictures used for advertising them), then you're retarded enough to deserve to be tricked.

[Inabon]

Originally Posted by sudden

Regardless of if its unethical or not, if you're a guy and don't know who operates phone sex numbers (that it's not actually the girls in the pictures used for advertising them), then you're retarded enough to deserve to be tricked.

AMEN

[pam]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Taking a holier than thou attitude whilst pushing porn doesn't make a lot of sense.

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

I think this is where I say amen.

[Inabon]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?

[sudden]

Originally Posted by pam

Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.

She obviously meant that in the eyes of a lot of people, you DONT have any morals/ethics based solely on the fact that you're in the porn industry.

[pam]

Originally Posted by Inabon

erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?

If they sign up for 3 days, they get free porn. I don't promise they will never have to pay for porn, I tell them that for 3 days, there is no charge. They are then told they can go to a free porn search engine -- meaning there is no cost to go to the search engine. No where on the page does it say all the sites listed are free. Virtually all are paysites. Where is the deception?

[pam]

BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by pam

BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

theres nothing wrong with what or how she's marketing her site.
besides the brunette in the middle pics is freakin hot !! WooHoo

Pretty much as I look around theres nothing wrong with any of the systems anyone is using. its all different forms of advertising, and the main problem is everyone just seems to have a different standards or level where they draw the line on advertising.
Creating a profile of some botacious porn model hot girl?
or telling someone over the phone that your really Britney Spear's sister look alike?
or tell them FREE PORN for 3 days? it's all the same game.
Your all attempting the same goal. To entice people to purchase something. Advertising is partially based on "make believe fantasies", to lure a person to purchase something.
Now if we all have different aspects or ethics on how far we should go? well, I feel thats for the Courts to decide.
But I think as long as companies like Ford Motor Vehicles tell me on TV every few minutes How if I buy one of there trucks, and "Ride it like a Ford" I'll get hot girls around me all the time & be the shit of my neighborhood, then I see nothing wrong with how any of you or AFF operates.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Your all attempting the same goal. To entice people to purchase something. Advertising is partially based on "make believe fantasies", to lure a person to purchase something.

Well we all could have less game and try to use scare tactics like running a fake virus scan on your machine and make the CD drawer open to coerce a surfer into using your anti virus.

Once loaded it is really a trojan to pop up ads and some say unwittingly turns your machine into a big zombie spammer.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Well we all could have less game and try to use scare tactics like running a fake virus scan on your machine and make the CD drawer open to coerce a surfer into using your anti virus.

Once loaded it is really a trojan to pop up ads and some say unwittingly turns your machine into a big zombie spammer.

ur point being fatboy?????
what? that some lowlife scamming hacker webmaster played a trick to get someone to buy there crap? well fuck man, thats not advertising or any form of marketing. thats just being illegal due to the fact that someone has taken control of someone elses personal property illegally. & WTF does that have to do with AFF? did I miss this part of the story where AFF is performing these acts? or are you just pointing out another form of ???

[JR]

fake profiles = fraud



not sure why people don't get that. someone is purchasing a membership based on what you represented the site to be and its content. it has nothing to do with "fantasy" or "marketing" any more than any other type of misrepresentation of a product does. its 100% illegal.

pointing out other acts of fraud does not make any particular act of fraud more legal... no matter how accepted, tolerated or prolific it is.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models.

i think that anyone calling a 900 number knows and understands this. 900 number is fantasy. 900 numbers don't sell personal relationships and are not grounded in the pretense of actually meeting that person in real life based on their profiles, pics, personal info and back and forth communication. in fact, a 900 number connects you to a real person... a fake profile doesn't.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by JR

fake profiles = fraud
not sure why people don't get that. someone is purchasing a membership based on what you represented the site to be and its content. it has nothing to do with "fantasy" or "marketing" any more than any other type of misrepresentation of a product does. its 100% illegal.

pointing out other acts of fraud does not make any particular act of fraud more legal... no matter how accepted, tolerated or prolific it is.

ok, try this again ...

CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT FRAUD !!!
I can't make it any simply than this:....
Who is the #1 fakest profile or character that exists on the planet today? that is used by millions to sell products everytime, this time of year?
Who is the #1 fake marketing and make up used profile on the planet now that even "us" as adults indulge in believeing to convince our minors of a false person or character to purchase or sell a product?

His name is Santa Clause !!!

If its ok to create this fantasy fake fatman in a red suit that helps major department stores & multi million dollar business sell products and convince our children that this fat fuck truly exits so we can create an excuss to spend money.
well I can't find a better example than this.

So, AGAIN, CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT DECEPTIVE OR ILLEGAL. as long as there's this Fat Fake Fuck or some sort of freaking easter rabbit running around, or because theres some girl on a broomstick with a long nose, and a wicked laugh trying to make me purchase products, candy, or toys. There all bogus, deceptive, and fake. So whats the difference between this and some hot looking babe on a profile? THERE IS NONE