West needs to wake up.

[Mike AI]

Since where is this torture?

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p...0&c=news_photos

Our enemies behead our soldiers, innocent AID workers, and anyone else they can get their hands on - yet we are beating ourselves up over human pyramids, girsl underwear, and mild abuse....


The West will lose because we don't like to face reality.

[JoesHO]

I agree with you here Mike, ( I think we were wrong in going to war) but once in war you must fight to win and the most treachourous will be the victor ( so far the US has ALWYS proved to be that)

except in Vietnam and well to put it bluntly we all know how that went.

how does the saying go?

war is .......hell! so you better be the devil if you are gonna rule in hell!

I don't know why I'm replying since this is just more mindless trolling from Mike. You would honestly think he had better things to do.

But in a nutshell - we don't behead people on camera because we're not animals.

If you want to sink to their level Mike, be my guest. I can only guess what your imagination dreams up.

And I don't pretend that the "west" (a slightly broad generalization) has it's hands clean. Sometimes there's dirty work in such circumstances. But reason dictates you do it a very long way away from cameras and make sure it's very deniable.

If the US thinks it stands for what's "Good and Right", it only hurts itself getting into such circumstances. Unless the US has decided it's no better than those it fights?

And the US may be fairly new to foreign policy (only really got a proper one after WW2) but many other countries have been dealing with similar situations for at least a century, if not much, much longer. These types of situations are nothing new. Par for the course in global affairs really.

If it's not Muslim extremists, it's guerillas, Maoists, communists... the fighting doesn't stop. This is nothing new, and many countries have dealt with this for a long time without losing their "civilization" in the process.

[Mike AI]

Jay, I am not advocating beheadings. I was merely making the point that, even the "torture" we are prosecuting soldiers for is extremely MINOR compaired to what our enemies do.

The problem I see is the media has a bigger field day pounding this kind of information down our throats, but shows minimum attentnion and outrage with beheadings of female aid workers.

We are above that, and the people who took photos and dressed the guys up in womens clothing should be punished. ( even if its just for being STUPID)

[PornoDoggy]

Damn.

Starting to see "it's the media's fault" an awful lot. Maybe the situation is worse in Iraq than I thought.

I agree that calling most of what happened in the Iraqi prison "torture" is an overstatement. Still in all, that kind of bullshit being done by Westerners is far more "newsworthy" than actual torture & beheadings by terrorists.

We all know that they act that way. We aren't supposed to act that way.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 19 2005, 05:29 PM
Damn.

Starting to see "it's the media's fault" an awful lot. Maybe the situation is worse in Iraq than I thought.

I agree that calling most of what happened in the Iraqi prison "torture" is an overstatement. Still in all, that kind of bullshit being done by Westerners is far more "newsworthy" than actual torture & beheadings by terrorists.

We all know that they act that way. We aren't supposed to act that way.

Happens in jails across this country everyday!!!

[sarettah]

What is or is not torture is defined fairly clearly in the Geneva Convention crap.

Since we are a signatory to the Geneva Convention (meaning we said we agreed to it dammit) then we MUST follow it.

If we want to circumvent the Geneva Convention then we MUST withdraw from it.

It is pretty much that simple.

<_<

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 19 2005, 05:13 PM
Jay, I am not advocating beheadings. I was merely making the point that, even the "torture" we are prosecuting soldiers for is extremely MINOR compaired to what our enemies do.

The problem I see is the media has a bigger field day pounding this kind of information down our throats, but shows minimum attentnion and outrage with beheadings of female aid workers.

We are above that, and the people who took photos and dressed the guys up in womens clothing should be punished. ( even if its just for being STUPID)

To be frank, I don't actually watch much TV news since it is so repetitive. I do a fair bit of headline scanning every day to keep up to date, and deliberately and generally avoid opinion pieces since that's exactly what they are - opinion.

FYI - I generally check BBC & FT online every day. Occasionally wn.com

The media is sensationalist. Negativity gets viewers. As harsh as it sounds, I'm sure the media loves disasters in a sense since it means more eyeballs.

I'm in the UK so I don't actually know what US news is like. We get ABC news at around 2am but I can't really see the point in watching it.

I would say the BBC nightly news is pretty balanced and very international compared to some. Channel 4 news gets a bit repetitive and does somewhat obsess about George Bush. But this probably won't mean much to you if you're not in the UK...

Anyway, I see your point, and that's one reason I don't really like TV news. But on the other hand, TV news stations are commercial mediums and I assume they do what they feel is best to keep their business viable...

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jan 19 2005, 08:30 PM-->