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So that we can make sure every show has the maximum interesting and relevant information available to adult webmasters, without the same old crapping on you can hear on the other shows, we are going to switch to a monthly show ...
We'll announce our first monthly show as soon as we have decided when it will be.
Out of almost 3000 registered members, less than 20 opranauts can make it to a show each week ...
To be honest I'm kinda relieved you're not on today. I'm having one of those headless chook days and just rushed to my desk to start up winamp and the chat, refreshed Oprano and there's no show.
Monthly is a bit few and far between tho...alternate weeks maybe?
Hey, if you guys wanna do a monthly show instead of weekly that's cool, but geez cj, do you really have to bash the rest of us while you're coming up with an excuse why you can't come up with a good show on a weekly basis?
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A monthly show will be great, IMHO. To be honest, 9 PM, especially in the summer time, is when I'm ready to unwind from work. Pour myself a glass of wine, and watch TV, a movie or read. And while the radio show obviously isn't "work", it is work related and it's become impossible for me to get in front of a computer screen and NOT work
In my opinion its better to accept a show isn't interesting enough to have each week than to continue to do the show each week for the same 15 people ... We already know we disagree on that. You are happy to do a show each week for the same few people, I'm not. Simple as that.
I didn't say anything in my post different to what we say every week on the show since our first broadcast ... we want our show to be different than the rest of the CRAP that is broadcasted ...
Our last couple of shows have been no different to the CRAP that is broadcasted repeatedly by the same people each week. So we figure it is time to change our direction.
Why be offended now by something that we've been saying for 3 months?!?!
Peaches, excellent point and one that several people have mentioned.
I think we might just have to bite the bullet and have usa based hosts which makes it easier to pick a more reasonable time ... like you said, the show needs to be on during work hours, not when you are ready to watch soprano's!!!!!
Originally posted by cj@Jun 29 2004, 09:54 PM Peaches, excellent point and one that several people have mentioned.
I think we might just have to bite the bullet and have usa based hosts which makes it easier to pick a more reasonable time ... like you said, the show needs to be on during work hours, not when you are ready to watch soprano's!!!!!
I agree, move it later....TV starts to suck around 2AM...anytime after that would be fine.
cj, at the end of the day, unless there is REALLY something going on that is worth the time, most people won't give up an hour or two to listen to amusing banter... if we need it, we can just turn on the AM radio and listen to any of the talk radio channels.
You need to have subject matter, guests, and formats that are IMPORTANT, not just nice. "Fred is here to talk about how you can make money on his program" isn't going to get a big draw... having someone for Acacia on the air might change things....
It's all about creating value - you have to make me WANT to show up... which means you have to have something nobody else does. Personality isn't enough... you gotta have substance!
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Exactly what you have said about 'amusing banter' was what we wanted to avoid. We have had a few shows that are *exactly* as we intended them ... the confucy show, the spyware show, and every show where we had a serious subject and a guest to discuss it is what we wanted every show to be like - hence the monthly idea.
There's not enough 'issues' to discuss every week ... and we aren't exactly the kind of show that has guests who pay to come on to talk about how to market their programs - we've tried to largely avoid that. We've never had anyone who is 'nice' ... lol
I don't understand Acacia very well, so I've avoided talking too much about it ...
We've got a few topic ideas coming up and if anyone would like to be a guest or knows of someone with some valuable information about these areas (or any others), please let us know ...
Ok, let a former washed up radio guy weigh in here, for what it's worth.
Doing a weekly radio show and keeping it at A+ level is impossible. Keeping it at B+ level is possible, but a grind and a total bitch. Been there, dont that, got the worn out Tshirt.
I think be it twice a month or once a month you would lose audience more so. There is a logical answer. Remember the old McCloud-Columbo-McMillan&Wife thing? Alternate every two weeks with another show or another series of hosts. Keeps the audience, keeps the time slot open, offers variety, yadda yadda.
I also agree, you need guests and topics. It may also have been (sorry, giving you all my feedback) a mistake "branding" the show with the Oprano name. Lots of times shows with their own "name" but associated with a resource works. Branding it often tells people who are not a part of that board or that resource that they are not wanted.
Further .... ok, you wanted feedback, here it comes .... the fact that the radio show is not marketed elsewhere, of course you're going to get only 20 people! Hello?? You and Gonzo are excellent marketing people! But you guys and AEBN's total lack of marketing is ultimately to blame. You guys know that the adage "build it and they will come" is the biggest piece of dung phrase ever said, but for some reason in this particular case, it seems you've fallen for it.
Get out there and push!! Get the guests, do your homework, make up the questions, do your research, plan the sucker, then promote the living piss out of it. And if it's too much work to do it right, then hang it up.
And I only tell you the unvarnished truth here because I respect you and I know you can handle it.
Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 30 2004, 01:21 AM Ok, let a former washed up radio guy weigh in here, for what it's worth.
Doing a weekly radio show and keeping it at A+ level is impossible. Keeping it at B+ level is possible, but a grind and a total bitch. Been there, dont that, got the worn out Tshirt.
I think be it twice a month or once a month you would lose audience more so. There is a logical answer. Remember the old McCloud-Columbo-McMillan&Wife thing? Alternate every two weeks with another show or another series of hosts. Keeps the audience, keeps the time slot open, offers variety, yadda yadda.
I also agree, you need guests and topics. It may also have been (sorry, giving you all my feedback) a mistake "branding" the show with the Oprano name. Lots of times shows with their own "name" but associated with a resource works. Branding it often tells people who are not a part of that board or that resource that they are not wanted.
Further .... ok, you wanted feedback, here it comes .... the fact that the radio show is not marketed elsewhere, of course you're going to get only 20 people! Hello?? You and Gonzo are excellent marketing people! But you guys and AEBN's total lack of marketing is ultimately to blame. You guys know that the adage "build it and they will come" is the biggest piece of dung phrase ever said, but for some reason in this particular case, it seems you've fallen for it.
Get out there and push!! Get the guests, do your homework, make up the questions, do your research, plan the sucker, then promote the living piss out of it. And if it's too much work to do it right, then hang it up.
And I only tell you the unvarnished truth here because I respect you and I know you can handle it.
Drav...
I appreciate your advice and Im happy to reread over it and learn.
I think the twice a month idea is excellent. However we cant get anyone to commit to one hour doing their own show for the past 6 months. I do however see a way this can be applied. Hit me up on ICQ and Ill be happy to share. No reason to spill free ideas eh?
Guests are a very tricky thing as you well know. Quite frankly we could have pulled another show out of our asses last night but to be honest with you I wasnt feeling well. Consider that we have been doing this pretty much off the cuff from the begining. We NEVER planned to do a live radio show. The chips fell into place and we rolled with it. Initially I had planned on spinning some tunes and doing a little interactive news. CJ came up with a great concept and name and we went live with it a few days after it was announced. We do these shows with no production staff, no input [which we are always open to] from the board, and no advertisers other than our friends at ACHdebit/Cybertokens who paid for the phone patch equipment that we use for live call ins.
I disagree with you about cobranding the show with the resource. The resousrce is the reason for doing the show in the first place. Which other resource can you go to and advertise with at some many different levels? Oprano/Serge/The Good,The Bad, and The Ugly are all inspirations in doing it in the first place.
And the marketing comment may look valid to you for a few more days my friend but in a very short time that remark is going to have a very bitter taste. AEBN only committed to providing the server and bandwidth for the radio shows. And promotional help they have or have not extended to us has been a gift. I do agree with your statement of build it and they will come is a crock. You have to develop traffic for the web and that includes audio broadcasts.
I appreciate you candor but do keep in mind your giving us a little advice based on your experience and not based on hearing any of our shows. A little credit where credit is due...CJ plans out a lot of those shows down to the minute. Im the one thats comfortable with half assing things.
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on the branding issue, we have a backup domain, naughtyradio.com ;-)
we planned to go with the resource show to make it fairly closed to oprano audience i guess ... i know i sound very picky about our numbers considering we have done little marketing, no reminders or announcements except here etc ...
i really like the idea of every 2nd week and am going to try to get some pre-recorded shows going for filling the timeslots ...
it would be nice if every show could just have a repeat cycle like cable tv ;-)
Thanks for taking things in the spirit given, CJ and Gonzo.
As to the branding issue, Gonzo, I admit I could be partly in error there. There is obviously YNOT Radio and Netpond Show and all. But the part I said about keeping others away along WITH the name holds true. If you don't promote outside this board AND you have a branded name, then you are branding a cliqueishness, whether you realize it or not. The reason other branded shows don't have that stigma is they actually post outside their own world, inviting others to come by. Again, I think this is the biggest mistake.
I think one of the best ways to promote -- this worked in the olden days and I see it still works today as well -- is if Oprano is open to having other radio shows post theirs, then in turn other resources won't mind you posting your radio show announcements on their places. I've seen YNOT Radio promoting on XNations, NetpondRadio promoting on GFY, etc etc.
Radio shows have always been given a "free ticket" compared to other things that might be considered spam as they tend to be educational in nature. And various radio shows each announcing on other boards ends up being a cooperative where everyone gets greater market share and a picks up a new listener here and there.
It also tends to encourage a healthy competiion I've found as well. When so-and-so comes over one week and says they have these great guests, you usually find the following week that a competing show ends up having other great guests. It's a win-win situation. So if Oprano is open (?) to letting others post in return for posting elsewhere, this could work well for all. Again, it's done everywhere else but here.
Also, the greatest mistake I see constantly (in ALL radio shows everywhere) is not announcing guests or the show until an hour before it starts. If you have things lined up at least a day ahead, you can get the forum promo notices up earlier (and get your guests listed, aheam, in both the AOE radio page and the daily newsletter). The problem with the six hours or two hours notice is if people aren't around, they find it after the show is over.
Similiarly, if you can get a guest or topic line-up for a few weeks ahead, not only do you get to promote those future shows at the end of your show, but you get a "future shows" listing on your website. These all help to create a recurring listener base and a sense of continuity. It also helps convey the impression of a professional operation. I know when I see a show saying in two weeks that so-and-so is the guest or such-and-such is the topic and I run across that over and over, and the topic or guest interests me, I do end up marking it on my calendar.
Gonzo, I'll turn on my dreaded ICQ in a little while, bro.
As a net radio veteran who used to do 4-5 shows a week plus full daily broadcasts, I can tell you, it gets tough to come up with something fresh.
To get people to come out of the woodwork, you need subjects and guests who are controversial and yet not a bunch of nutjobs. You need something to sell the webmasters and I don't mean a product, but an idea or topic.
For example, I haven't had the opportunity to make a show because they are generally scheduled around my family time. I have very little of that left these days with EGC and some other side projects, so try to make time in the evenings for them.
For me personally, my optimal listening time would be during the lunch-afternoon time when I'm usually listening to tunes or something like Brain Gell Radio. I'm not sure of others' times when they are most "in the mood" for a listen or have the time to listen in.
I like the trend I see and hear rumblings about of more video based shows. I have a few ideas on these too (Gonzo, I'll hit you up on ICQ later to discuss ;-)).
I have to admit, I like what they are doing at ynotradio with guests that aren't even in our industry. Most of us chat amongst ourselves on boards, ICQ, etc. all day long, so we're not as motivated to come out and listen to someone we talk with on a daily basis anyways, I'd love to see shows with guests who have things that are in the interest of our business, but aren't quite part of our "community".
We have all of these new legal issues challenging us as well as small business ownership issues. Why haven't there been more attorneys, tax accountants and even small business managers on these shows? Something different like this might get me to move my family time around a bit to tune in. While I know tax issues vary from state to state and most attorneys hate to give away "free" advice, it would be nice to have topic that aren't just "make money with so and so's new program or "how to make more money with those pesky TGPs"
I know there have been some great topics like the spyware show, etc. but I'd love to see more out of the community guests.
You are getting a bit of *payback* or as we use to say, KARMA!
CJ, did you really expect to have a successful radio show when you are working with a slimeball like gonzo? Come on, now! The two of you bored the shit out of everybody with your bad connections, your ramblings, and especially...YOUR LIES put the nail in the coffin.
You tried to get an audience off of my misery. You never allowed me to comment. You banned my ass, and then refused to admit it. You never allowed me to hear the show that was about me. You gave only one side. You lied on the threads before the show and told everyone that I would not be mentioned, and then the entire fucking show was about me.
You lied to me in email. I told you the truth, and you used what I told you to condemn me and make fun of everything I told you in confidence. You went to that stupid ass radio chatroom and called me a psycho. You said you believed I would take my life. What bullshit is this???? I have been around in porn since 1995. I have dealt with a lot of assholes, but you and gonzo and dear peaches are the biggest bunch of backstabbing know-nothing people I have ever encountered.
Take your bling-bling celebrity shit and peddle it somewhere else, because as you have experienced on your so-called radio show...nobody gives a flying shit about what you and gonzo have to say.
I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KARMA RULES!
It takes more than a voice on a microphone to make a good radio show. And Dravyk, listeners tune in every day for their favorite radio hosts. Look at the number of regulars on the top five radio shows...Howard Stern, Art Bell, Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh and whomever is the other show in the top five. Some have no guests. Some have many. They do daily shows. They are good at what they do. They are not boring gabby amateurs like gonzo and CJ. Even their guests can't make them look good.
Vick, are you smoking a little too much, or are you just kissing ass? The show must go! Even once a month is too much.
See what happens when you get too smug! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Originally posted by confucy@Jun 30 2004, 05:51 PM See what happens when you get too smug! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
"What happens"? Exactly what is it that happened? I certainly don't see anything that even the most psychotic could call "bad" happening to cj or Gonzo.
Not to mention, I seriously doubt you lying and faking being a victim would ever result in bad Karma towards anyone else but yourself. But you're right - your life is a perfect example of how bad Karma can put the nail in the coffin
Mikey, I am never bitter, just disappointed. I have built my board reputation on being a psycho bitch. If you don't know the truth by now, then Serge should replace you asap.
The only time I attack is when someone lies to me and tries to hurt my family. Gonzo has done both. He has been so desperate for recognition that he clings to the shirt tails of even bigger assholes than himself.
I have learned in life that if you are an unfair bastard, you will get paid back. As Lee Noga said, "what is worse than betrayal?" Nothing.
I no longer will respond to your posts. You have no credibility. You are a clinger-on. You follow me from board to board and make a fool of yourself. The GFY crowd feels sorry for you, thus I will stop egging you on. I wouldn't want your son to see you *losing your cool* on the boards because of me.
Originally posted by confucy@Jun 30 2004, 06:07 PM Peaches, dear.
I no longer will respond to your posts. You have no credibility. You are a clinger-on. You follow me from board to board and make a fool of yourself. The GFY crowd feels sorry for you, thus I will stop egging you on. I wouldn't want your son to see you *losing your cool* on the boards because of me.
Yet you just responded to my post
There are posters who feel sorry for me? Cool! I need to get a Paypal address And don't worry, my son's seen my lose my cool MANY times - but in my 7+ years on the boards, he knows I don't lose it on them or about anything said on the boards. Thank you so much for your sudden concern for my child
Originally posted by confucy@Jun 30 2004, 05:04 PM I left for a few months, and my icon has grown and grown.
Is this Oprano's way of welcoming me back?
Confucy you have to resize your banner in the controls. Takes 2 seconds.
I agree with you about betrayal, not much worse then that.
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How many times do I need to repeat the same things to you before you stupid fucking brain will comprehend?
Like I said all along, if you could have figured out how to use your computer you would have heard the show and hear me DEFENDING YOU YOU STUPID PSYCHO!!
Don't blame me because you were too GUTLESS to discuss the subject when given the opportunity. You crapped on for a year with your bullshit and when you were given an opportunity to speak you chickened out like the keyboard warrior you are.
Learn to notice when you've stepped into the net fuckhead instead of running off at the fingers like you do the moment your brain has a thought.
Our radio show has actually been kicking ass over EVERY show but netpond numbers wise ... I just expect every show to be packed with listeners, just like the show where I defended your psychotic ass.
You have ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY no reason to feel negatively towards me except that I refuse to accept your excuses for behaving like a psychotic bitch at every given opportunity.
Remember our email discussion confucy? I told you I believe your Mitnick stories, but using it as an excuse to be a bitch towards everyone and everything doesn't work ... especially when you behave the same way towards those who believe you and those who don't. 2 months ago I was your hero, now you hate my guts?!?!?
I & Oprano dismissed you long ago ... you have nothing left for us to use, so run along & get out of my thread.
Wow, this thread is like a country song, it's got all the elements!
cj, gonzo, sorry to see you guys having a tough go of it with the show. I can understand your frustration since it's got to be hard putting forth an effort for something that should work well but just hasn't clicked.
My personal opinion is this -- back when I was a newb and Dokk's was the only game going, it was a great novelty and a way to network with people, especially on Friday nights when I was at home. Then more and more shows started surfacing and it got the point that there was no possible way to listen to them all. So I'd pop in occasionally for a show somewhere to see what was up, and if it was interesting hang around. Your show with the idiot from Solar Billing was a good one and I enjoyed being Melody the Cam Girl in the chat room
The problem I've noticed with a few of the radio hosts is that if you show up in the chat for a show that's not theirs, they tend to get testy with you for not showing up to theirs. Most of us don't have the time or inclination to spend all day sitting in radio chat, especially not with so many different shows going on. Right now I couldn't tell you who has a show and who doesn't, I don't even keep up.
I pop onto the set of AlyTV occasionally, but even though Aly's one of my best friends, I don't generally end up watching her show unless I'm on the set... once again a time issue.
I'd love to see you guys come up with a format that keeps you on the air, but I do agree that you need some sort of hook to get the guests to tune in. I hope that you guys do find it, hell I enjoy cj's accent as much as anyone!
I also find it hugely amusing that confucy has to make a half assed attempt at gloating over what's not yet a failure either.
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 30 2004, 10:17 PM I also find it hugely amusing that confucy has to make a half assed attempt at gloating over what's not yet a failure either.
Whats ever more funny is that the figures CJ quoted you are for the CHAT room.
She doesnt see the stream stats. I DO! And theres a LOT of people that listen to the stream and dont have the time for the chat room.
Pretty amusing when really all she just wants to do is interact with her friends and associates ...
Some yall should be ashamed!
If its sucking so bad....I wonder why I spent an hour and half on the phone with Bishop calculating new server specs and increased pipe based on the Tuesday night show alone? Complaints just tell me its time to shake things up again.
KK dont worry... Im not. And I just got back from getting food stamps and govt peanut butter and cheese.
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KK, I'm glad someone could see our point in asking for feedback ... our standard of 'success' and 'failure' for this experiment is based on what *we* want to achieve from it, not having more or less listeners than other shows. I don't consider 50 listeners to be enough ... which explains our eagerness to change direction.
We have a few things coming up at the end of July for phase 2 which incorporates many of the comments made here by everyone ...
Lets just say that "Live shows" are the least important part of our future ;-)
We appreciate the feedback everyone, thank you ;-)
Originally posted by cj@Jun 30 2004, 08:05 PM KK, I'm glad someone could see our point in asking for feedback ... our standard of 'success' and 'failure' for this experiment is based on what *we* want to achieve from it, not having more or less listeners than other shows. I don't consider 50 listeners to be enough ... which explains our eagerness to change direction.
Exactly CJ -- at the end of the day you and Gonzo, along with AEBN and Oprano judge the success or failure of the project based on standards that you decide upon -- not based on the rantings of a half-cocked hermit that lives around the corner from me.
Her eagerness to gloat over what she perceives to be your failure is yet another sign of her total lack of class.
I wish you guys the best with this -- I'm actually looking forward to seeing what it morphs into, and if it's not a live show I'd be even more interested since I could check it out when I'm not pressed for time
Get out of your thread? Shit, that was my line last year.
CJ, just accept the fact that you never came to your radio show prepared. You and Gonzo didn't have guests for weeks, and when you did, either they couldn't hear you or you couldn't hear them.
Of course, KK is taking your side. She was so desperate for work that she hurried her ass to Los Angeles to make a buck. The two of you should get together. Every time KK has appeared on Aly's show, she has sat there like a silent monk. What a lousy fucking guest you have been, dear Kimmy. You know damn well if CJ's show was worth a damn, you would be listening.
Why does everyone think it is such a smart move to have a radio show? Even Joesho is talking about having a show. As KB said on GFY, having a radio show is an *ego trip!* At least KB was good at being a radio host. How can you women accept being part of a team with Gonzo whose vocabulary is limted to using the NNNNNNNNNNNN word over and over. He has no class...no respect for himself or others...and his Krispy Kreme mentality is revolting.
CJ, you never could take criticism. As long as I laughed at your comments and agreed with you, I was Queen Confucy. You even wanted to work with me when my threads were setting records on Oprano. You want the right to mouth off, but you don't want to allow others to do the same.
If you and Gonzo can't be winners on a weekly show, how in the hell do you expect to do a monthly show? I could teach you how to be a success, but you would have to supply me with meds each day, and figure out a way to get my wheel chair in and out of the studio.
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