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Old 03-15-2004   #1
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Read there: http://www.fightthepatent.com/v2/Playboy.html

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Very disturbing.


This is the problem with attorneys and lawsuits, everyone just folds and sees it as part of business.
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"It's cheaper to keep her"



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I hate attorneys with a passion, and those who abuse the legal system to bully others. We need major tort & patent reform in this country before they kill business!!

There is a huge horde of attorneys scoping out every company that has deep pockets.... looking to rape and pilidge - or at least shake down a littl with some nusence lawsuits.
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(in a Charlton Heston voice)

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errr....with Playboy ,Disney all doing deals..


Who is actually left fighting this patent?
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Lawyers don't sue people, companies that hire lawyers sue people.









Fight the Guns-n-Roses!
There are a lot of lawyers troiling around for big pay days. I am sure you have seen your fair share of TV commercials, bill boards, etc....

The tort system in the US has become like a lottery....

The sad thing is, it is ALL of us who are paying the bill!
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errr....with Playboy ,Disney all doing deals..


Who is actually left fighting this patent?



good one Batman. I was just thinking that. I have to say the internet is going to start to boom again and it's time to move on and go get a piece of this new money coming to the industry.








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Nick, exactly what they want you to think. I think it is important to note that both of these "blockbuster" deals are "terms not disclosed"... which translates roughly to "We made a sweetheart deal to be able to use their name"...

If the license fee gets small enough, it is easy to figure that the reward (saved back payments for all the time from 1991 onward) @2% is less than the expense of signing (sweetheart deal, $0 for any thing before signing, fixed rate soft payment for 7 years, etc). Risk of multi millions compared to a much lower expense spread over 7 years, with the chance of a reprieve if the copyright is struck down in that time frame.

Really, it is simple math. Acacia could have avoided almost all legal if they had come to the table with a signifcantly smaller license fee (say .25%?)... but they are lawyers, and they like to run up billable hours.

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Nick, exactly what they want you to think. I think it is important to note that both of these "blockbuster" deals are "terms not disclosed"... which translates roughly to "We made a sweetheart deal to be able to use their name"...

If the license fee gets small enough, it is easy to figure that the reward (saved back payments for all the time from 1991 onward) @2% is less than the expense of signing (sweetheart deal, $0 for any thing before signing, fixed rate soft payment for 7 years, etc). Risk of multi millions compared to a much lower expense spread over 7 years, with the chance of a reprieve if the copyright is struck down in that time frame.

Really, it is simple math. Acacia could have avoided almost all legal if they had come to the table with a signifcantly smaller license fee (say .25%?)... but they are lawyers, and they like to run up billable hours.

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Alex it pains me to say, but you are right on the money when it comes to sweetheart deals with big names.
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Alex,

Contrary to popular belief I am not a retard and am aware that this is what they want. ;-)))

In a previous thread I stated ,if it was me ,and I was offered a sweetheart deal , I'd rip their arms off to take it.

But I have never claimed to be an industry leader , a roll model , or a saviour.

I'm a businessman.

My question remains unchanged.

Who is left fighting the claim?

Those who have not been offered sweetheart deals?
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AEBN hasn't given in yet.
Interesting....

the phrase infers that they will at some point in the future ;-))
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[quote]Playboy is requiring Acacia to exempt all of its affiliates from patent claims, as long as it directly related to the promotion of Playboy products. The affiliate provision was a major sticking point for Playboy, and considerably delayed the agreement.
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They didn't cave in.. they are 'protecting' their affiliates... **COUGH**
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Who is actually left fighting this patent?
Video Secrets
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AEBN
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When a sponsor program licenses the patent, Acacia can't go after an affiliate for the same infringement...

This is not the issue that held them up... it was Playboy negotiating the lowest possible fee to pay, that would be less then them paying legal expenses to fight in court.



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If you ever want to know who is still in the fight.. this site should be up to date.

http://www.impai.org/memberslist.html
That list is for IMPA members, and does not represent the list of companies that are fighting/defending against Acacia.

Cases in point:
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OK ,for the record, I totally believe this patent to be ass.

But lets have a reality check...

A corporations duty is to its shareholders

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it was Playboy negotiating the lowest possible fee to pay, that would be less then them paying legal expenses to fight in court.
If I was a shareholder I'd be pleased that they took this action.

So you pay a small fee and then wait for the potential "blue sky" that the patent gets struck.

Sounds logical to me.
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I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

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I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

I do too



Bishop, my AEBN affiliate account looks like I'm going to break last month's numbers this week! it's only Marth 15th too. AEBN Rocks!!!



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I have full faith in Bishop and AEBN!!

Bishop is a very good friend and AEBN are a very respectable and by all accounts well run orgainisation.

But as for putting my faith in them?

Faith is for G-d , the US Dollar , and Smith and Wesson.


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yeah , I have faith it won't , anytime soon , reach parity with the Canadian $ ;-)))
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You expected Playboy to do something else?
It gets rid of competiton....
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yeah , I have faith it won't , anytime soon , reach parity with the Canadian $ ;-)))
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They didn't cave in.. they are 'protecting' their affiliates... **COUGH**
playboy has affiliates?!
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Nick, I NEVE EVER threatened anybody with legal actions, but....
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It is us, the little guys that will get fucked at the end :angry:
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