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Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 09:27 AM and fyi- When I was a teenager I worked for a woman who was a very masculine lesbian and lived with another female who you would think is a man. They were both raising two kids and guess what? They told the kids they were just roomies til they were old enough to get it.
Both were excellent parents but didn't try and teach the kids about gayness when they were little, so they could go to school and mouth off about it to their friends and be made fun of.
Kids in today's world don't need shit like that.
Hmm, so basically what you are saying is to teach the attitude that being gay is wrong (by NOT addressing it as a reality)......and condone children who make fun of people/kids who stick their necks out there......okay.....I get where you are coming from now............
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Originally posted by Diamond Jim@Dec 3 2003, 11:40 AM It's stupid shit like this that forces PD to be a liberal....
You are right about that, Jim. The teacher involved and the disciplinarian in question should be locked up in a room with the idiot from LA who wrote the now infamous "master and slave" memo.
Well, it just so happens that I know a little bit about this subject. I have three beautiful daughters, all heterosexual and all very normal, who have two mothers - and have since the youngest was two, the oldest was seven. It caused them a few problems along the way with a (suprisingly few) students/other parents, a couple of teachers, and one born-again bitch of a principal who disrespected my daughter, her mother, and me - and who is no longer the principal of one of the "plum" magnet high schools on account of it - although I'm sure she enjoys the challenge of working with the discipline probems of an urban school district.
We told the kids what's what from the time they FIRST asked. They were bright, inquisitive little shits who would have seen through us in a minute if we'd tried lies like 'roommates."
I understand why adults who have trouble getting around the fact that not all families are traditionally nuclear would advocate lying to kids. Just because THEY are very slow doesn't mean that mosts children are. I have never thought that was a good idea. My ex's lover is a bitch and a half, but I never allowed my kids to play on the fact that I felt that way (they all tried) - I knew she loved the kids, and I backed her up when necessary the same way I did their biological mother.
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Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 10:54 AM Why the hell would any parents try and teach a 7 year old what the word "gay" means???
I have seen situations like this, and they tell their kids they are roomates until they are old enough to understand the reality of it.
You obviously are not a parent or gay.
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Originally posted by cherrylula@Dec 3 2003, 12:41 PM I couldn't say exactly, but 7 years old is really young.
I have a brother who is 6 and I can't imagine him being aware of what gay means. He would be trying to kiss all the boys in his classroom if that was the case because he's just an innocent little kid.
And not that there is even anything wrong with little kids having affection towards each other, but do we really want them to start playing gay that young? He doesn't even know Santa Claus isn't real, let alone what being gay means!
I know it seems like I’m targeting you…I’m not. Its comments like yours that really piss me off. No doubt you are shadowed by the same ignorance so many people are.
Being gay is not about sex. It’s a lifestyle choice and should be entitled the same right of choice as anything else. Why should this choice, a relationship/love, be handled like a taboo or forbidden topic? Why can’t people just raise their children to be tolerant and accepting of all people regardless of race, gender or lifestyle choices? Lying to them to cover up a very real truth seems pretty fucked up to me.
My son was raised by two women. His world was full of choices, love and acceptance. We didn’t share our private sexual preferences with him. When he was 15 and asked me about sex I gave him some great books explaining all the different options including role-play and bdsm. I said, “Read these first then come talk to me.” We spent time talking about it. Through the years he’s dabbled in things and we still continue to talk about things openly. I would change my relationship for anything in the world. We have a very honest real bond. I would hide anything from him. He’s literally my best friend.
Get a grip on reality darling. Times are changing.
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When you really take it all to the core everyone has some male and female to an extent in them.
Look at trannies. Some of them you can't tell they aren't female and they look damn fine.
Look at gays, some are ultra masculine, buff and macho and you could never tell in a million years they are gay. Some are ultra feminine.
Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.
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Originally posted by KRL@Dec 4 2003, 06:02 PM Same with lesbians. And in my opinion, I think the majority of females have lesbian tendencies and way more women have a lesbian experience than men have a gay experience.
One of man's most common hopes/dreams is that beautiful women really do bump into each other and decide to have wild carpet munching right there on the floor.
Or that he'll come home one night and find his wife waiting for him with a lovely female stranger and ask him if he'd rather watch or participate.
Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful.
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Originally posted by FATPad@Dec 4 2003, 06:16 PM It dates back to caveman times. Big strong caveman has a harem of 12 women. But can only service a limited few each night. So the rest had to do something.
That's my killer theory and I'm sticking by it!
But I do really think all women are bisexual.
The caveman theory. Thats funny!
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Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 4 2003, 07:07 PM Men hope that all women are lesbians or have lesbian tendencies just like women hope that all men are faithful.
Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 4 2003, 06:07 PM just like women hope that all men are faithful.
I honestly think the tide has turned and there are way more unfaithful women than men.
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My brother, and my sister are "gay". Still amazes me how 2 turned out straight and 2 gay, but oh well. Anyway, in their eyes they were born that way. They don't believe that anyone made them the way they are, but it was there from the moment they were concieved.
Although I can't imagine them ever having children, the discussion has come up a few times. My sister's take on it is that the child would be told they are "roomies" until they were old enough to understand. My brother's take is that the child should know from the beginning. He's the type of person that puts it out there regardless of how much you like it. He doesn't believe in lieing to his family even if it might be for their own good.
As a mother of 3 teenagers, my kids have known about my siblings from the very beginning. And if I myself were gay, I would want them to know. There are several reasons for this, and some might not agree with it, but everyone has their own opinions.
When your kids are in school, especially elementary, there are TONS of performances, plays and school functions. Now, certainly most kids know the word "gay" from the time they are in kindergarden. They may not understand what it means, but they won't hesitate to call another student gay or a fag. Now, at these functions, normally you would see the mother and father, but in a gay relationship, you will see mother and mother, or dad and dad. Eventually, other kids and teachers will ask questions. Then the child has to explain why both parents are of the same sex. Should they not understand it in order to explain it? I think they would be picked on more if they didn't understand. I mean how can you explain something you don't understand? Let's face it, kids can be cruel to one another and if the child isn't armed with knowledge he's just a sitting duck for ridicule.
Sex ed has always been a part of school curriculum . First, in high school you had to take it. They thought wow, there are an aweful lot of middle school kids getting pregnant. So, they added it to middle school curriculum. Now, it's part of the elementary school curriculum. Yes, my kids had to take it in 5th grade. Now, this same child goes to sex ed and they teach about the male and female reproduction process. This kid figures out something is definately wrong there because there isn't a female/male situation at home, and starts wondering why. He then raises his hand and asks the teacher. Now this "unarmed" child has opened himself up to the teasing and rdicule.
Now, if schools were to teach about gay relationships at the same time that they taught hetrosexual relations, perhaps there wouldn't be an issue. But, our schools would much rather not address that and leave it to the parents. Now, the parents get blamed for not teaching them, and they get blamed if they do?????
Also, I wonder if that same 7 year old asked his friend about his mom and mom, and the kid explain what being hetrosexual was, would his friend then be in trouble???
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