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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 5 2003, 08:12 PM self
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grogan's iq does not = self
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nick, i think you were close. the answer i heard is is lack of self, or non existence. human's do not have the ability to conceive of their own lack of existence. i dont mean death either. cause we can conceive of our own death and the reprecsussions on other people.
it is kind of interesting to close your eyes and try to imagine not being. not heaven, not death, not people greiving, not things that wouldnt exist without you, just imagine for a moment that you didnt exist. i dont think it can be done.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Nov 5 2003, 08:58 PM nick, i think you were close. the answer i heard is is lack of self, or non existence. human's do not have the ability to conceive of their own lack of existence. i dont mean death either. cause we can conceive of our own death and the reprecsussions on other people.
it is kind of interesting to close your eyes and try to imagine not being. not heaven, not death, not people greiving, not things that wouldnt exist without you, just imagine for a moment that you didnt exist. i dont think it can be done.
Originally posted by Hooper@Nov 5 2003, 09:58 PM nick, i think you were close. the answer i heard is is lack of self, or non existence. human's do not have the ability to conceive of their own lack of existence. i dont mean death either. cause we can conceive of our own death and the reprecsussions on other people.
it is kind of interesting to close your eyes and try to imagine not being. not heaven, not death, not people greiving, not things that wouldnt exist without you, just imagine for a moment that you didnt exist. i dont think it can be done.
The thought of not existing throws me into an anxiety attack. The only thing that has ever done it. I try to avoid the thought of not being here as much as possible.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Nov 5 2003, 09:58 PM nick, i think you were close. the answer i heard is is lack of self, or non existence. human's do not have the ability to conceive of their own lack of existence. i dont mean death either. cause we can conceive of our own death and the reprecsussions on other people.
it is kind of interesting to close your eyes and try to imagine not being. not heaven, not death, not people greiving, not things that wouldnt exist without you, just imagine for a moment that you didnt exist. i dont think it can be done.
non existence is the most typical answer....or "nothing", "zero", etc...
i've never heard it typecast to the self, though...in general, it could be the non existance of a known reality, or merely existance itself...
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 5 2003, 10:44 PM Bottomline when all is said and done , Friedrich Nietzsche said it best , when he said " Grogan ? What a fucking moron! "
Originally posted by Hooper@Nov 5 2003, 09:58 PM it is kind of interesting to close your eyes and try to imagine not being ....... i dont think it can be done.
Since if "I think, I am" how can one think of not being? For in the very process of Thought is the proof of your existence.
What about a brain dead person? Can they conceive anything? If not, then wouldn't they conceive non-existence? Perhaps not, since they cannot conceive anything.
Anyway, no individual can conceive a baby . . . that still takes two, even in a test tube
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Originally posted by Torone@Nov 6 2003, 04:29 AM Actually, the whole question is a paradox. Kinda like "Try not to think of a white horse." (I just naturally picture a Jax beer label).
But there is no such thing as a white horse... only greys...
BTW, the paradox is: If you can't conceive of it, you cannot possibly answer the question correctly; because any answer you come up with, you just conceived of...
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